$33's - Postflop, two annoying turns [Archive]

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otctrader

12-03-2005, 06:11 PM

No phenomenal reads, villain in Hand #2 doubled up calling down A2o on Axx board and rivered a gutshot. My image so far is rockish.

Both hands were intentionally played passively by me preflop, so WRT to turn action, my holding isn't obvious to either villain. In hand #1, I wanted to call down an inferior ace, and wasn't sure what to make of his turn bet given my flat call on the flop. Hand #2, I lead out since I'll get action from Kx, intending to C/R AI on the turn, not expecting him to shove. Minraises at $33's (preflop) lately are often any two broadway, although I can't imagine a donk shoving KJ or QT on this turn.

Hand 1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB (t732)
BB (t1456)
UTG (t830)
UTG+1 (t850)
MP1 (t645)
MP2 (t911)
MP3 (t1355)
Hero (t866)
Button (t355)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 2 folds, BB calls t50.

Flop: (t325) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets t200, Hero calls t200, BB folds.

Turn: (t725) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets t300, Hero.....

Hand 2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG (t2104)
MP1 (t981)
MP2 (t1489)
CO (t400)
Button (t740)
Hero (t1296)
BB (t990)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP2 raises to t100, 2 folds, Hero calls t75, BB calls t50.

Flop: (t300) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t175, BB folds, MP2 raises to t350, Hero calls t175.

Turn: (t1000) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) Hero checks with intention of C/R AI, villain shoves, Hero....

bigt439

12-03-2005, 06:22 PM

I didn't read your comments, but 1 is a push and so is 2. Not hard ones either. You mucked up pf hard on 2 as well.

bluefeet

12-03-2005, 06:29 PM

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Hand 1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB (t732)
BB (t1456)
UTG (t830)
UTG+1 (t850)
MP1 (t645)
MP2 (t911)
MP3 (t1355)
Hero (t866)
Button (t355)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 2 folds, BB calls t50.

Fine

Flop: (t325) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets t200, Hero calls t200, BB folds.

Fine (we're trapping)

Turn: (t725) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets t300, Hero.....

Push 

Hand 2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG (t2104)
MP1 (t981)
MP2 (t1489)
CO (t400)
Button (t740)
Hero (t1296)
BB (t990)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP2 raises to t100, 2 folds, Hero calls t75, BB calls t50.

Make it 300 to go

Flop: (t300) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t175, BB folds, MP2 raises to t350, Hero calls t175.

a) Leading - perfect. Maybe even a touch less b) Calling - perfect

Turn: (t1000) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) Hero checks with intention of C/R AI, villain shoves, Hero....

Do that...go AI

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Looking to c-r the flop in the second is an option. But with his PF raise, I like the notion of having him push us off -- leading a little more 'probe' looking because so. T100 maybe.

fluorescenthippo

12-03-2005, 06:34 PM

there shouldnt be this much postflop playing. stop slowplaying these hands!!!

fluorescenthippo

12-03-2005, 06:35 PM

btw if you are going to call preflop, not raising the flop is horrible in both of these

FlyWf

12-03-2005, 07:12 PM

I don't necessarily mind the passive preflop play, but get feisty on the flop. You won, you got action and your hand is disguised.

otctrader

12-03-2005, 07:16 PM

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btw if you are going to call preflop, not raising the flop is horrible in both of these

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Both are almost completely drawless, so I see them as WA/WB and don't want to blow villains off Ax and Kx. I suppose shutting out BB in Hand #2 is a concern, but I would have no trouble shutting down if he showed aggression.

Your point that the dynamic is changed given no PF raise is definitely a good one though.

WRT Hand #2 I see how not reraising PF was pretty hideous since I'm OOP and for stack size considerations. I just hate putting in that 3x reraise since it looks so much like AA or KK, but it apparently has to be done here.