JJ OOP against half the [censored] table

[PoBoy321]

First orbit, no reads, but this table in general has been fairly loose. Also, what do you think of the PFR with jacks in EP? I feel like too often I build pots OOP with hands that can get difficult to play postflop.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1480)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t1460)
Hero (t1460)
UTG+2 (t2180)
MP1 (t820)
MP2 (t1900)
MP3 (t1420)
CO (t1560)
Button (t1700)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t80, MP2 calls t80, MP3 calls t80, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t350) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero...

[splashpot]

Obviously check fold the flop. I like limping preflop, but some like a raise.

[PoBoy321]

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Obviously check fold the flop. I like limping preflop, but some like a raise.

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That was originally going to be my plan. I also though about making a smallish CB, closer to 1/2-2/3 pot, but figured that against 3 opponents, it would be too difficult to play on the turn, because while a call could mean a K, it could also mean a flush draw.

Here's what I did:

Flop: (t350) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t45</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t45.

I figured that getting 9:1 with the possibility that my hand was good, and since MP2 and MP3 dropped out, I could peel one off, I doubt that anyone disagrees with that. My question is, when the turn blanks, what do you do?

Turn: (t440) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

[splashpot]

Usually check fold again. Unless he makes another freakishly small bet.

[bones]

Not having the J /images/graemlins/heart.gif hurts your hand more than most people realize.

Anyway, I think you can either lead or c-raise this turn, depending on how those games play and what is most likely to achieve your desired reaction from MP1.

[PoBoy321]

Check? Never heard of it.


Turn: (t440) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t220</font>, MP1 calls t220.

River: (t880) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

[tigerite]

That was a bad move.

[splashpot]

Check fold.....again.

[splashpot]

Also, on the flop, granted you are getting great odds, you have to consider that MP1 was willing to bet into 3 opponents. That in itself indicates strength. I don't even think I'd call the flop bet. There is a very good chance you only have 2 outs.

[PoBoy321]

I checked, villain checked behind and showed 77, MHIG. This hand felt really awkard, but I felt like I might have done something right at some point here, although I wasn't sure what it was.

Clearly, I butchered the hand, thanks for your insight.

[PoBoy321]

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Also, on the flop, granted you are getting great odds, you have to consider that MP1 was willing to bet into 3 opponents. That in itself indicates strength. I don't even think I'd call the flop bet. There is a very good chance you only have 2 outs.

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I should have mentioned that this is a 10+1, so I wouldn't give my opponent too much credit. Also, folding to that bet just seemed incredibly weak.

[bigt439]

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but I felt like I might have done something right at some point here



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... well you did check the flop...


I'm kidding, but you did mess this hand up. Raise pf is fine if you're comfortable playing a raised pot with JJ oop. You might not be, so maybe consider limping. Flop is a check fold, but to that small bet sticking around is fine. Like splashpot said, turn is a check fold unless it's really small again. Your turn bet is really bad. Depending on how you got to the river, that K is a great card so I might call a small amount, but it totally depends on turn action when you don't bet.