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sameoldsht
12-03-2005, 10:45 AM
Once again, I suggest this for some of you:

Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program

Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal

This is the first step for every liberal on the way to recovery. It is important to understand that you're not "progressive", "moderate", or "enlightened". You're a liberal, and you need to be honest with yourself about that fact.

Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts

Realize that truth is more important than moral superiority and is the only way to come over to reality. You must research beyond propaganda from the Sierra Club, Hilllary Clinton, and CNN to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on "feelings" or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you can't be lazy any more.

Step 3: Love America

This may be the most difficult step for those of you who are hippies and peaceniks. Admitting that the country you hate actually stands as a beacon to defend freedom throughout the world can make some of you physically ill. You might want to make a visit to a military cemetery to better understand that these men and women gave their lives so that you could spew hatred. Otherwise, you would currently be living in a police state that would never let you wear that nasty patchouli oil, let alone speak out against your government.

Step 4: Take a college level economics class

A Socialist is defined as someone who's never taken an economics class. Most Socialists have a hard time balancing their checkbooks, let alone explaining the simple concept of supply-and-demand. It's time to flush your complete ignorance of basic economics down the toilet and understand how the world actually functions. This concept will be very important for the next steps that involve communism, facts about corporations, and the inefficiencies of government.

Step 5: Say "no" to Communism and Socialism

While this concept is obvious to most of the free world, it is an important step in your recovery process. If you have difficulty with this step, spend a week living and working in Cuba.

Step 6: Corporations are not evil

If you're reading this article on-line or in an email, it's thanks to corporations. If you get some kind of paycheck, you can thank corporations. If you work for a nonprofit or the government, you still have to thank corporations. The nonprofit sector and the government wouldn't have any money to pay you without corporations. It is also important that you understand that making a profit doesn't equate to "greed" or exploitation. Capitalism has created the greatest society in our world's history. Even communist countries need corporations to survive, so enjoy a nice, hot cup of reality.

Step 7: The government is inefficient

If you are one of those liberals who believe the government should tax us more in order to take care of society, you need to pay special attention to this step. You need to realize that government bureaucracy will waste most of your tax dollars, while the private sector will put your money to much better use. Even most Democrat politicians understand this to some degree, which is why Hillary's socialist healthcare proposal was voted down by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Go to your local post office or call the IRS to ask a tax question if you need a reminder about government inefficiency.

Step 8: The earth is not your "mother", and she's not dying

The time has now come to stop your donations to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and every other EnviroNazi organization to which you belong. Face the reality that the earth, society and our environment are better off today than ever in recorded history and that they are continuing to improve. I realize that many of you tree huggers will have a very difficult time letting go of the Douglas Fir on this one. I would suggest reading The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Mr. Lomborg is a former member of Greenpeace and is currently a statistics professor at a university in Denmark. He set out to prove the world was in bad shape and ended up surprising himself by proving the exact opposite.

Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you'll save a fortune on snacks.

Step 10: Eat a hamburger

If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. You can put your sprouts and tofu on the hamburger, but get some meat into you. You'll look and feel better than you ever imagined. You can always remind yourself that Nazi propaganda hailed Adolf Hitler as a vegetarian to get you through this step.

Step 11: Stop re-writing political history

It's now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst role models for women in this country, Al Gore really did lose the 2000 election by every vote tabulation you attempt, Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and didn't create the homeless problem, John McCain is not a typical Republican, and Jimmy Carter is a nice man but has one of the worst presidential records of anyone in history.

Step 12: Be a missionary

Once you have completed the previous steps to overcoming liberalism, it's time for you to share this awakening with others who are not as fortunate. Go out amongst the liberal sheep and spread the good word of your freedom from the chains of ignorance that once bound you. Congratulations, and welcome to reality. /images/graemlins/cool.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

12-03-2005, 10:52 AM
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Myrtle
12-03-2005, 11:52 AM
Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program

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Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal

This is the first step for every liberal on the way to recovery. It is important to understand that you're not "progressive", "moderate", or "enlightened". You're a liberal, and you need to be honest with yourself about that fact.

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I don’t consider myself a liberal at all, but this post is way too much fun to not respond to.

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Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts

Realize that truth is more important than moral superiority and is the only way to come over to reality. You must research beyond propaganda from the Sierra Club, Hilllary Clinton, and CNN to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on "feelings" or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you can't be lazy any more.

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...One man’s ‘facts’ are another man’s ‘propaganda’.

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Step 3: Love America

This may be the most difficult step for those of you who are hippies and peaceniks. Admitting that the country you hate actually stands as a beacon to defend freedom throughout the world can make some of you physically ill. You might want to make a visit to a military cemetery to better understand that these men and women gave their lives so that you could spew hatred. Otherwise, you would currently be living in a police state that would never let you wear that nasty patchouli oil, let alone speak out against your government.

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I love what America stands for. I am not, however, a practitioner of the black & white ‘Love it or Leave it’ mentality. It is not inconsistent to love something while seeing it’s warts and trying to fix them.

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Step 4: Take a college level economics class

A Socialist is defined as someone who's never taken an economics class. Most Socialists have a hard time balancing their checkbooks, let alone explaining the simple concept of supply-and-demand. It's time to flush your complete ignorance of basic economics down the toilet and understand how the world actually functions. This concept will be very important for the next steps that involve communism, facts about corporations, and the inefficiencies of government.

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Class taken...plus I’ve founded and run my own small business for the past 27 years. Do I pass your litmus test?

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Step 5: Say "no" to Communism and Socialism

While this concept is obvious to most of the free world, it is an important step in your recovery process. If you have difficulty with this step, spend a week living and working in Cuba.

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Black/White condemnations of those ideologies are more of a political statement then one of thorough investigation.
If I’m forced to make an either/or choice, I’ll choose a representative democracy (with all of its imperfections) over either, but that doesn’t totally invalidate all of the principles of Communism or Socialism.


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Step 6: Corporations are not evil

If you're reading this article on-line or in an email, it's thanks to corporations. If you get some kind of paycheck, you can thank corporations. If you work for a nonprofit or the government, you still have to thank corporations. The nonprofit sector and the government wouldn't have any money to pay you without corporations. It is also important that you understand that making a profit doesn't equate to "greed" or exploitation. Capitalism has created the greatest society in our world's history. Even communist countries need corporations to survive, so enjoy a nice, hot cup of reality.

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Tisk, tisk, tisk.......Black & White statements are generally not worth the paper they’re printed on......How about....”ALL Corporations are not Evil”, and let’s view them , one-at-a-time, based upon their actions?


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Step 7: The government is inefficient

If you are one of those liberals who believe the government should tax us more in order to take care of society, you need to pay special attention to this step. You need to realize that government bureaucracy will waste most of your tax dollars, while the private sector will put your money to much better use. Even most Democrat politicians understand this to some degree, which is why Hillary's socialist healthcare proposal was voted down by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Go to your local post office or call the IRS to ask a tax question if you need a reminder about government inefficiency.

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The current structure of our government is indeed bloated beyond reason. Any serious analysis of the structure & infrastructure of it causes shivers to run up & down the spine of any experienced businessperson. Many of our government processes are inefficient, born out of the necessity to support a corrupted infrastructure.


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Step 8: The earth is not your "mother", and she's not dying

The time has now come to stop your donations to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and every other EnviroNazi organization to which you belong. Face the reality that the earth, society and our environment are better off today than ever in recorded history and that they are continuing to improve. I realize that many of you tree huggers will have a very difficult time letting go of the Douglas Fir on this one. I would suggest reading The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Mr. Lomborg is a former member of Greenpeace and is currently a statistics professor at a university in Denmark. He set out to prove the world was in bad shape and ended up surprising himself by proving the exact opposite.

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Indeed, the earth is not, but that doesn’t mean that we should not treat our Earth with the same respect that most of us accord our own biological mothers. Although ‘she’ may not be dying, she is certainly changing, and much of that change is not good for her present inhabitants, and much of that change can be clearly be put on the shoulders of one species.


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Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you'll save a fortune on snacks.

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Done......many years ago. Besides, the ‘munchies’ did always seem to cost me a small fortune.


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Step 10: Eat a hamburger

If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. You can put your sprouts and tofu on the hamburger, but get some meat into you. You'll look and feel better than you ever imagined. You can always remind yourself that Nazi propaganda hailed Adolf Hitler as a vegetarian to get you through this step.

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Even though it’s only 28 out right now, and we’re due for a snowstorm shortly, I can guarantee you that I will be out on the deck, grilling up some burgers shortly! All Vegans are welcome......bring your own stuff and I’d be happy to throw it on the grill also! Give me any chit about my burgers, and I’ll toss you off the deck.....

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Step 11: Stop re-writing political history

It's now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst role models for women in this country, Al Gore really did lose the 2000 election by every vote tabulation you attempt, Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and didn't create the homeless problem, John McCain is not a typical Republican, and Jimmy Carter is a nice man but has one of the worst presidential records of anyone in history.

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Damn!! If I did that, would that only leave YOU the privilege of doing so?

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Step 12: Be a missionary

Once you have completed the previous steps to overcoming liberalism, it's time for you to share this awakening with others who are not as fortunate. Go out amongst the liberal sheep and spread the good word of your freedom from the chains of ignorance that once bound you. Congratulations, and welcome to reality.

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Somehow I don’t think that this bit of advice works for me. What you’re advocating seem to smack much more of the “doggy-style” position than the “missionary” position. Getting boned from behind is an increasingly popular pastime these days....on all levels.

hmkpoker
12-03-2005, 12:25 PM
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It's now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass

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We had a good economy, and no one should care whether he decided to fool around with someone other than his wife.

BCPVP
12-03-2005, 01:01 PM
Why did you waste all that time responding to him?

Myrtle
12-03-2005, 01:03 PM
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It's now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass

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We had a good economy, and no one should care whether he decided to fool around with someone other than his wife.

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With respect, I must disagree with you on part of this, but it is a matter of degree, not black & white.

He certain is a liar and he clearly has 'cheated' on his wife.

Does that make him unsuitable for office? I don't think so, but I have a problem with him as a stand-up adult man.

IMO, that kind of behavior is refelective of a particular type of selfishness that is self-indulgent, and shows no real consideration for how his behavior affects others; in this particular case, his wife and daughter.

I thought it rather amusing and predictable how the 'moral majority' christian fundamentalist political wing of the Republican party jumped all over this as if he had committed a crime against the state.

He's a man with a self-indulgent weakness, and I would never count him amongst one of my friends because of it. Perhaps a bit of a harsh judgement on my part, but, considering the 'big picture' in this case, he should have just kept it in his pants during his presidency.

Myrtle
12-03-2005, 01:07 PM
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Why did you waste all that time responding to him?

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.....fun /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

hmkpoker
12-03-2005, 01:25 PM
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He's a man with a self-indulgent weakness, and I would never count him amongst one of my friends because of it. Perhaps a bit of a harsh judgement on my part, but, considering the 'big picture' in this case, he should have just kept it in his pants during his presidency.

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Who the hell are you to say this?

His job was to help run the country. There were some questionable foreign policies (though not nearly as questionable as the current regime) and a good economy. What Bill does for recreation really shouldn't concern us. The right wingers who criticised him for "being a bad role model" were the ones promoting the image of an unfaithful man.

You're not Hillary or Chelsea or Monica, and neither is 99.9999% of the country. Stop whining.

hmkpoker
12-03-2005, 01:29 PM
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Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you'll save a fortune on snacks.

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Done......many years ago. Besides, the ‘munchies’ did always seem to cost me a small fortune.

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uh...huh.

Let me get this straight, you can't afford oreos? If you can't afford munchies, how the hell could you afford the bud?

Myrtle
12-03-2005, 01:37 PM
[ QUOTE ]
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He's a man with a self-indulgent weakness, and I would never count him amongst one of my friends because of it. Perhaps a bit of a harsh judgement on my part, but, considering the 'big picture' in this case, he should have just kept it in his pants during his presidency.

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Who the hell are you to say this?

His job was to help run the country. There were some questionable foreign policies (though not nearly as questionable as the current regime) and a good economy. What Bill does for recreation really shouldn't concern us. The right wingers who criticised him for "being a bad role model" were the ones promoting the image of an unfaithful man.

You're not Hillary or Chelsea or Monica, and neither is 99.9999% of the country. Stop whining.

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Surely you jest?

Who the hell is whining? Not me....

If you consider his amorous side adventures simple 'recreation', you're entitled to your opinion, but I would ask you to consider the aftermath shitstorm that they created, and the effect it had on politcal momentum.

I simply stated that I have little respect for any man who lets his small head rule his large one.

If you don't care for that opinion, so be it.

Myrtle
12-03-2005, 01:42 PM
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Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you'll save a fortune on snacks.

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Done......many years ago. Besides, the ‘munchies’ did always seem to cost me a small fortune.

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uh...huh.

Let me get this straight, you can't afford oreos? If you can't afford munchies, how the hell could you afford the bud?

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Out of all the points that you chose to respond to, you chose this one?

You're a piece of work.......

12-03-2005, 02:01 PM
Ann? Ann Coulter? What are you doing here? Hyping a new book?

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The Don
12-03-2005, 03:47 PM
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Step 4: Take a college level economics class

A Socialist is defined as someone who's never taken an economics class.

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This was pretty funny.

Otherwise, I could listen to Rush and Bill O'Reilly to get the other 'conservative' dogma.

hmkpoker
12-04-2005, 02:37 AM
For humor's sake I was going to make a 12-step program for conservativism, but I figured I'd be lazy and just condense it into one simple, very effective step /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Overcoming Conservativism: A One Step Program

Step 1:

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Take two hits and call me in the morning /images/graemlins/grin.gif

whiskeytown
12-04-2005, 05:43 AM
was watching a special on Brian Wilson today -

he took LSD and 30 minutes after he had taken it for the first time he wrote "California Girls"

He also states that this is the time the voices in his head started telling him they were gonna kill him (I wish I was joking, but it's true)

so I'm iffy on LSD - I'd probably try it once on a good day but not if I was depressed - I'd definately be curious to try it.

RB

hmkpoker
12-04-2005, 07:37 PM
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was watching a special on Brian Wilson today -

he took LSD and 30 minutes after he had taken it for the first time he wrote "California Girls"

He also states that this is the time the voices in his head started telling him they were gonna kill him (I wish I was joking, but it's true)

so I'm iffy on LSD - I'd probably try it once on a good day but not if I was depressed - I'd definately be curious to try it.

RB

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There is a lot of misinformation about it, just like there is with any other drug. It can't make you schizophrenic (although it can "jump-start" it if you're genetically inclined to be schizo)), and it does NOT stay in your spinal fluid for the rest of your life. In fact, it's an extremely unstable molecule that gets destroyed by heat and light; accordingly, it gets completely metabolized from your system within three days.

"Acid flashbacks" are PTSD (like Vietnam flashbacks) and purely psychological in nature.

Look into it and research, it is DEFINATELY worth considering /images/graemlins/wink.gif

12-04-2005, 07:45 PM
ysscky