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IggyWH

12-03-2005, 01:00 AM

MP2 & MP3 is the same are new to the table with only a couple hands played so no real read on either.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP3 ($99.75)
Hero ($165.10)
Button ($201.15)
SB ($75.15)
BB ($123.53)
UTG ($204.47)
UTG+1 ($129.95)
UTG+2 ($86.60)
MP1 ($12.86)
MP2 ($84.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
4 folds, MP2 raises to $4, MP3 calls $4, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, MP2 calls $6, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($25.50) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($25.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($45.50) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $45.50

yvesaint

12-03-2005, 01:01 AM

ugh man, raise more pre-flop, bet the flop, bet the flop, bet the flop!!!

ajmargarine

12-03-2005, 01:03 AM

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1990 hands w/o AA

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After this hand, probably deservedly so.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

IggyWH

12-03-2005, 01:07 AM

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ugh man, raise more pre-flop, bet the flop, bet the flop, bet the flop!!!

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What do you suggest? I scared one off with incredible odds to call. I wanted to give good odds to call considering I had position.

Also, why bet that flop? I have a dominating hand and position on the guy. Only possible draws were guts. I felt most likely a bet meant he was folding for sure, and why would I want anyone to fold when I flopped a set of aces with no real draws?

orange

12-03-2005, 01:15 AM

Betting this flop inflates it for later streets. You should always want a bigger pot with sets/flushes/etc, so by the end, you will gain more value.

yvesaint

12-03-2005, 01:16 AM

how are you going to make any money if you never bet or raise? if you dont bet or raise a set of aces here, or even on the turn, what hands DO you bet or raise? sheesh use that bet button!

what do i suggest?

raise more pre-flop, bet the flop, bet the flop, bet the flop!!!

stu-unger

12-03-2005, 01:16 AM

Bukem_

12-03-2005, 01:19 AM

Its a shame that your bet/raise button was disabled once the flop came.

Otherwise you make some more money.

IggyWH

12-03-2005, 01:22 AM

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Betting this flop inflates it for later streets. You should always want a bigger pot with sets/flushes/etc, so by the end, you will gain more value.

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This, I understand. Considering this is 100NL though and I'm occupying 3 of 4 possible Aces, I see a bet here causing nothing more than an easy fold for MP2.

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

teamdonkey

12-03-2005, 01:32 AM

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ugh man, raise more pre-flop, bet the flop, bet the flop, bet the flop!!!

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What do you suggest? I scared one off with incredible odds to call. I wanted to give good odds to call considering I had position.

Also, why bet that flop? I have a dominating hand and position on the guy. Only possible draws were guts. I felt most likely a bet meant he was folding for sure, and why would I want anyone to fold when I flopped a set of aces with no real draws?

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preflop - if MP2/MP3 have pocket pairs, your small raise makes it correct for them to call. Raise more and try to get them to make a mistake. If they both fold, so what? 9.5 BBs uncontested isn't a bad result for AA.

flop check is ok i think for the reasons you mentioned. Aside from a set of 10s or the case ace, who is calling a bet here? What hand villain is open raising with are you afraid of giving a free card to? I'd love to build a huge pot here with the nuts as much as the next guy, but in this spot villain is almost always going to fold to your flop bet. Giving him a low risk chance to catch up isn't a bad option.

on this turn card i'm raising.

IggyWH

12-03-2005, 01:37 AM

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on this turn card i'm raising.

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Yes, this was very stupid of me. I really don't remember this hand but found it while looking over my PT hands from last week.

Apparently not many people agree with me checking that flop though except you. I'm hoping someone can get me to see the way.

Bukem_

12-03-2005, 01:40 AM

You didn't raise enough preflop to get out the qj, kj hands, which are the most likely to give you action when you check so they catch up.

If it was very obvious you were vs a big pair, you could check, since you could act like you are scared of the ace/invite him to steal the pot from you, and give him a chance to hit his 2 outer.

BigBiceps

12-03-2005, 01:42 AM

If you had QQ would you bet this flop? Probably.

You should make your standard continuation bet here as if you did not have three aces. People call with all kinds of garbage (especially on party poker).

Also, there are 2 cards to broadway, you cannot give free cards to beat you either.

wdeadwyler

12-03-2005, 05:38 AM

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Betting this flop inflates it for later streets. You should always want a bigger pot with sets/flushes/etc, so by the end, you will gain more value.

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This, I understand. Considering this is 100NL though and I'm occupying 3 of 4 possible Aces, I see a bet here causing nothing more than an easy fold for MP2.

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

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Yes, you are dead wrong.

For god sakes put as much money in the pot here as soon as possible.

12-03-2005, 06:05 AM

I can see checking the flop, since a good case-ace is the best hand to call. As played, you *must* reraise more on the turn, you have a great hand and I like making money on those. Additionally, another broadway fell; that's pretty scary and you can't afford to peel off another card for free.

However, I would say bet the flop, if only because making a big reraise like that and then checking behind with position makes all sort of warning bells go off in my head. AK/AQ would have bet here, KK/JJ would have bet out at least a weaker CB and unless you have been caught playing small PP very very very fast preflop, your check screams set. Barring broadway, I would be very nervous giving you any action if I were the villian.