View Full Version : Negreanu should read the STTF
Irieguy
12-02-2005, 11:46 PM
Quoted from his article on the Borgata:
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...So, instead of giving up the lead, I decided to make a half-value/half-defensive bet of $3,600; value in hope of getting paid off by a worse pair than mine, and defensive in that I might be forced to call a much larger bet if I checked.
A bet like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn’t talked about too much in the literature. Generally, a bet on the river has a clear purpose: It’s either a bluff or a value bet. However, a bet like this is one in which you are doing more than just value betting; you also are protecting yourself, or saving yourself money in many cases in which you may have been forced to check and call a large river bet.
D. Negreanu
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It's called a blocking bet, no0b, and 7,000 18-year old yahoos on this forum know about it.
Seriously, though, the article describes the play of a hand that is quite interesting. It's posted on pokerpages.com.
Irieguy
splashpot
12-02-2005, 11:48 PM
The blocking bet is pretty advanced stuff for most people.
Scuba Chuck
12-03-2005, 01:18 AM
What! There's other things to read besides 2+2? /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/ooo.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Quoted from his article on the Borgata:
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...So, instead of giving up the lead, I decided to make a half-value/half-defensive bet of $3,600; value in hope of getting paid off by a worse pair than mine, and defensive in that I might be forced to call a much larger bet if I checked.
A bet like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn’t talked about too much in the literature. Generally, a bet on the river has a clear purpose: It’s either a bluff or a value bet. However, a bet like this is one in which you are doing more than just value betting; you also are protecting yourself, or saving yourself money in many cases in which you may have been forced to check and call a large river bet.
D. Negreanu
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It's called a blocking bet, no0b, and 7,000 18-year old yahoos on this forum know about it.
Seriously, though, the article describes the play of a hand that is quite interesting. It's posted on pokerpages.com.
Irieguy
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Does it matter if Daniel N doesn't use the same terminology as 7000 18-year old yahoos on this forum as long as he knows what he's talking about?
Irieguy
12-03-2005, 02:08 AM
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Quoted from his article on the Borgata:
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...So, instead of giving up the lead, I decided to make a half-value/half-defensive bet of $3,600; value in hope of getting paid off by a worse pair than mine, and defensive in that I might be forced to call a much larger bet if I checked.
A bet like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn’t talked about too much in the literature. Generally, a bet on the river has a clear purpose: It’s either a bluff or a value bet. However, a bet like this is one in which you are doing more than just value betting; you also are protecting yourself, or saving yourself money in many cases in which you may have been forced to check and call a large river bet.
D. Negreanu
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It's called a blocking bet, no0b, and 7,000 18-year old yahoos on this forum know about it.
Seriously, though, the article describes the play of a hand that is quite interesting. It's posted on pokerpages.com.
Irieguy
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Does it matter if Daniel N doesn't use the same terminology as 7000 18-year old yahoos on this forum as long as he knows what he's talking about?
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When somebody uses the phrase "seriously, though," it implies that the prior sentiment was expressed in jest.
A phrase like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn't talked about much in the literature.
I shouldn't have used such an abstruse technique to satirize what I find to be an interesting contrast: published/publicized poker literature v. publicly accessible poker ramblings available on forums like this one.
Irieguy
SuitedSixes
12-03-2005, 02:21 AM
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Does it matter if Daniel N doesn't use the same terminology as 7000 18-year old yahoos on this forum as long as he knows what he's talking about?
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Daniel? Is that you?
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Quoted from his article on the Borgata:
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...So, instead of giving up the lead, I decided to make a half-value/half-defensive bet of $3,600; value in hope of getting paid off by a worse pair than mine, and defensive in that I might be forced to call a much larger bet if I checked.
A bet like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn’t talked about too much in the literature. Generally, a bet on the river has a clear purpose: It’s either a bluff or a value bet. However, a bet like this is one in which you are doing more than just value betting; you also are protecting yourself, or saving yourself money in many cases in which you may have been forced to check and call a large river bet.
D. Negreanu
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It's called a blocking bet, no0b, and 7,000 18-year old yahoos on this forum know about it.
Seriously, though, the article describes the play of a hand that is quite interesting. It's posted on pokerpages.com.
Irieguy
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Does it matter if Daniel N doesn't use the same terminology as 7000 18-year old yahoos on this forum as long as he knows what he's talking about?
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When somebody uses the phrase "seriously, though," it implies that the prior sentiment was expressed in jest.
A phrase like this is a pretty common tool, but it isn't talked about much in the literature.
I shouldn't have used such an abstruse technique to satirize what I find to be an interesting contrast: published/publicized poker literature v. publicly accessible poker ramblings available on forums like this one.
Irieguy
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Ok. Is there a serious point you're trying to make of value that we all can learn from or did you just feel like poking fun?
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The blocking bet is pretty advanced stuff for most people.
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Maybe, but Daniel N doesn't have to use 'blocking bet' in his vocabulary and he's still advanced.
Irieguy
12-03-2005, 02:38 AM
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Ok. Is there a serious point you're trying to make of value that we all can learn from or did you just feel like poking fun?
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Mostly poking a little fun, but also explaining why I posted the dumb comment to begin with.
Irieguy
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Ok. Is there a serious point you're trying to make of value that we all can learn from or did you just feel like poking fun?
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Mostly poking a little fun, but also explaining why I posted the dumb comment to begin with.
Irieguy
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You get an extra forty sack of Chocolate Thai for honesty. I'll be waiting on your $22 and $33 HHs after you put the blunt out. Oh, and be quick about it.
bluefeet
12-03-2005, 02:52 AM
Though Irie has become an adequately successful 22 player of late (despite struggling at the 10's for more than a year), he has contributed very little to this forum. Even with your shaky start put aside, he's not the type to go out of his way to be helpful - best to look elsewhere /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Hendricks433
12-03-2005, 02:54 AM
point? /images/graemlins/confused.gif
microbet
12-03-2005, 03:00 AM
I thought I was paying a reasonable amount of attention to the forum, but now I have the feeling it is swimming with gimmick accounts and inside jokes that I don't get.
Melchiades
12-03-2005, 04:49 AM
http://www.chrisferguson.com/cgi-bin/articlesupdate.cgi?s=2
splashpot
12-03-2005, 04:55 AM
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http://www.chrisferguson.com/cgi-bin/articlesupdate.cgi?s=2
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He must be talking about limit poker in that article. He states that check/calling with a mediocre hand is always better than betting on the river. True in limit, but not always true in no limit as the blocking bet shows.
I think the blocking bet's a very commonly used tool, but understanding why it works requires either brute force math (to prove +EVness) or sitting around and thinking about it for a while. I'm pretty sure many people on this forum have done neither, which isn't really a bad thing, it just means it's a thing that we can talk about without boring people.
The same thing is not true about value bets or bluffs.
fnord_too
12-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Actually, they talk about blocking bets a lot more in the MHNL forum.
Seriously though, I wasted two minutes of my life reading the replies to your post (and typing this).
durron597
12-03-2005, 11:49 AM
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It's called a blocking bet, no0b, and 7,000 18-year old yahoos on this forum know about it.
Seriously, though, the article describes the play of a hand that is quite interesting. It's posted on pokerpages.com.
Irieguy
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Not only that, but blocking bets are so well known at this point that they often don't work anymore. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=3284425&an=&page=0&v c=1)
maddog2030
12-03-2005, 01:31 PM
Not sure I like his flop reraise in that hand.
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http://www.chrisferguson.com/cgi-bin/articlesupdate.cgi?s=2
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I noticed that Chris never mentioned the words "blocking bet". Should he be reading STTFs too?
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Though Irie has become an adequately successful 22 player of late (despite struggling at the 10's for more than a year), he has contributed very little to this forum. Even with your shaky start put aside, he's not the type to go out of his way to be helpful - best to look elsewhere /images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Could it be the haze of Mauwie Wauwie? Maybe I don't need any HHs from a STTF poster who's probably never consistently played higher than $215 criticizing a World Class player---who's won WSOP bracelets and has played as high as $4000-$8000--- about not using the term "blocking bet".
bluefeet
12-03-2005, 07:42 PM
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I have the feeling it is swimming with gimmick accounts
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bawcerelli
12-03-2005, 07:55 PM
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Though Irie has become an adequately successful 22 player of late (despite struggling at the 10's for more than a year), he has contributed very little to this forum. Even with your shaky start put aside, he's not the type to go out of his way to be helpful - best to look elsewhere /images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Could it be the haze of Mauwie Wauwie? Maybe I don't need any HHs from a STTF poster who's probably never consistently played higher than $215 criticizing a World Class player---who's won WSOP bracelets and has played as high as $4000-$8000--- about not using the term "blocking bet".
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does that affect irie's skill at the table?
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Though Irie has become an adequately successful 22 player of late (despite struggling at the 10's for more than a year), he has contributed very little to this forum. Even with your shaky start put aside, he's not the type to go out of his way to be helpful - best to look elsewhere /images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Could it be the haze of Mauwie Wauwie? Maybe I don't need any HHs from a STTF poster who's probably never consistently played higher than $215 criticizing a World Class player---who's won WSOP bracelets and has played as high as $4000-$8000--- about not using the term "blocking bet".
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does that affect irie's skill at the table?
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Maybe not, but it can definitely affect what TYPE of person you come off as, i.e. lower limit players making worthless comments about World Class players under the guise of poking fun. Skill at the table doesn't compensate for mocking arrogance.
bawcerelli
12-03-2005, 08:45 PM
compensate how? surely it wouldn't affect him monetarily. and isn't money the reason we play this game? if your morals say, you don't want to go over the HH of a winning player because he's a jerk, well then that's up to you. besides, irie might not have meant to post any of these messages. have you considered the possibility of a misclick?
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compensate how? surely it wouldn't affect him monetarily. and isn't money the reason we play this game? if your morals say, you don't want to go over the HH of a winning player because he's a jerk, well then that's up to you. besides, irie might not have meant to post any of these messages. have you considered the possibility of a misclick?
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Misclick, are you you serious? My morals have nothing to do with not wanting to go over a HH from Irie or whether he's a jerk or not. Where I come from, foul things happen to people who chose to associate with foul individuals. By first impression, I'd rather associate myself with the poster who PM'd me about his $55 HHs, regardless of whether it makes me money or not. With enough hard work and dedication, I'll make money without the benefit of Irie's winning strategies and skill. There are always more pleasant players willing to assist, you just have to locate them and ask.
The Yugoslavian
12-03-2005, 09:02 PM
BDACH,
Please just step away from the keyboard.....and never return.
Yugoslav
The Don
12-03-2005, 09:10 PM
I might be missing something but I almost never see anything about blocking bets in the STT forum. This forum can be summed up by two phrases...
"$XX: Is this a push?"
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"OT: Blah, Blah, Blah"
Citanul had a decent post about this earlier.
Discussion on the topic is much more common in the NL cash or MTT forums.
bawcerelli
12-03-2005, 09:11 PM
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Misclick, are you you serious?
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of course i'm serious. not considering misclicks could be a major leak in your STTF reading experience. then again, i might not have meant to post this.
Some of you guys are more worse off than Irie. I know a crew of block huggers in the Trap who would love for guys like you to make food runs for them, your treat of course.
bones
12-03-2005, 09:23 PM
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Some of you guys are more worse off than Irie. I know a crew of block huggers in the Trap who would love for guys like you to make food runs for them, your treat of course.
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http://www.willcrumbley.com/albums/Sherine/05_Eric_and_Alex_give_their_gang_signs.jpg
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Some of you guys are more worse off than Irie. I know a crew of block huggers in the Trap who would love for guys like you to make food runs for them, your treat of course.
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http://www.willcrumbley.com/albums/Sherine/05_Eric_and_Alex_give_their_gang_signs.jpg
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Perfect. I'll PM you the block their located at. These guys look like a couple box Chevys. Make sure they leave the plastic at home, block huggers only accept and deal in cash. That will be all.
The Yugoslavian
12-03-2005, 09:28 PM
DBACH,
Alright, look, Desdia.....how can you get anything out of having a bajillion accounts just to be a huge [censored] and never make it out of the $6 STTs?!?!
Just give it up bitch. Go get block huggers in the Trap to run food for you or whatever.....put some of those street smarts to use, but you gotta stop this man.
Yugoslav
bones
12-03-2005, 09:34 PM
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DBACH,
Alright, look, Desdia.....how can you get anything out of having a bajillion accounts just to be a huge [censored] and never make it out of the $6 STTs?!?!
Just give it up bitch. Go get block huggers in the Trap to run food for you or whatever.....put some of those street smarts to use, but you gotta stop this man.
Yugoslav
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Bah. This forum so needed a gangsta gimmick account.
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DBACH,
Alright, look, Desdia.....how can you get anything out of having a bajillion accounts just to be a huge [censored] and never make it out of the $6 STTs?!?!
Just give it up bitch. Go get block huggers in the Trap to run food for you or whatever.....put some of those street smarts to use, but you gotta stop this man.
Yugoslav
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Bah. This forum so needed a gangsta gimmick account.
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Actually, I'm no gangsta. I don't know any either but I do know of some individuals who criminal activities are their only means of income. None of this is used as a gimmick in a poker forum.
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