Folding Kings in Level 1

Level 1 in a $50 SnG.

***** Hand History for Game 3133371103 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17926262 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, December 02, 19:28:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 68363 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Kjettsan ( $1000 )
Seat 10: ATorgersen ( $1022 )
Seat 5: Poker_Beaver ( $970 )
Seat 1: NickyOD ( $985 )
Seat 7: LukB_A_Lady ( $960 )
Seat 6: golden_robbo ( $970 )
Seat 4: Jonnygut ( $1350 )
Seat 8: BIGBRI123111 ( $758 )
Seat 3: BrianCardnal ( $985 )
Seat 9: bigpep ( $1000 )
Trny:17926262 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NickyOD [ Ks Kc ] <----Bada Bing!
ATorgersen calls [15].
NickyOD raises [75].
Kjettsan folds.
BrianCardnal folds.
Jonnygut raises [175].<---This kind of micro raise always means the same thing at these tables. AA or KK.
Poker_Beaver folds.
golden_robbo folds.
LukB_A_Lady folds.
BIGBRI123111 is all-In [748] Ugh!
bigpep folds.
ATorgersen folds.
NickyOD folds.
Jonnygut calls [583].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 9h, 6c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
Jonnygut shows [ Kd, Kh ] two pairs, kings and fives. Whoops!
BIGBRI123111 shows [ Qc, As ] a pair of fives.

Question. If I get to see there cards first, do I push?

[splashpot]

My god, this is a bad fold.

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If I get to see there cards first, do I push?

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Of course.

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My god, this is a bad fold.

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If I correctly read that the first reraise is either KK or AA then the fold is automatic

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If I get to see there cards first, do I push?

Of course.


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Why?

[PartySNGer]

The AQ will win 32% of the time and the other KK will win 3% of the time. You will chop 64% and win 1%.

The pot would have been around 748*3 + 25 (blinds), so 2270 total. You would win 0 35% of the time. 1135 chips 64% of the time, and 2270 1% of the time.

0 * 34% = 0
1135 * 64% = 726.4
2270 * 1* = 22.7

Total Expected Chips = 749

So it looks like it doesn't really matter what you do b/c your expectation will be the same whether you fold or call.

[Freudian]

I never fold KK in situations like this because often enough that bet that must mean he has AA/KK turns out to be JJ-QQ, AKs. I have to admit that I do fold QQ at times to very heavy preflop action in level 1-2.

[bones]

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Question. If I get to see there cards first, do I push?

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I never fold KK early in a sng - never.

[splashpot]

Consider this hand next time you want to fold KK preflop. This was from a $55. Sucks that I lost though.

***** Hand History for Game 2972657227 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17095588 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 03, 01:38:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 68031 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Deceptikon ( $970 )
Seat 9: valorous ( $1380 )
Seat 6: ILIKESCOTCH2 ( $390 )
Seat 5: yeedogger ( $1255 )
Seat 4: empireny ( $2942 )
Seat 3: grizabe ( $1130 )
Seat 2: OreoMonster ( $835 )
Seat 10: accentprpl5 ( $1098 )
Trny:17095588 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yeedogger [ Kh Kc ]
ILIKESCOTCH2 folds.
valorous is all-In.
accentprpl5 folds.
Deceptikon is all-In.
OreoMonster is all-In.
grizabe folds.
empireny folds.
yeedogger is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 4d, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
yeedogger shows [ Kh, Kc ] two pairs, kings and threes.
valorous shows [ Td, Tc ] two pairs, tens and threes.
Deceptikon shows [ Kd, Ac ] a straight, ace to five.
OreoMonster shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
valorous wins 125 chips from side pot #3 with two pairs, tens and threes.
yeedogger wins 570 chips from side pot #2 with two pairs, kings and threes.
Deceptikon wins 405 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
Deceptikon wins 3390 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.

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Consider this hand next time you want to fold KK preflop. This was from a $55. Sucks that I lost though.


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You missed my point. The micro-reraise gave me the read to be able to put him on AA/KK. Your HH is completely different.

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NickyOD folds.

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WRONG

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

[splashpot]

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Consider this hand next time you want to fold KK preflop. This was from a $55. Sucks that I lost though.


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You missed my point. The micro-reraise gave me the read to be able to put him on AA/KK. Your HH is completely different.

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How is mine different? You'd think that by the 3rd all in, I have enough of a read to say he has a good hand. A much better read than your hand in fact.