TPNK after a LRR

[newhizzle]

SB is loose and passive, i dont really have a read on anyone else that matters cuz im playing way too many tables and my computer only has about 200 megabytes left on it so im not using pokertracker until my new hard drive comes in(should be today) and for some reason there happen to be a bunch of non-regulars in the game today


Party Poker 50.00/100.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (17.00 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ...

this is a pretty easy fold right?
whats my plan for the rest of the hand if its not?

[flawless_victory]

holyshit how could this be an easy fold?
i would raise here, and i also think you might want to bet this flop.

[andyfox]

I would have folded pre-flop because I think K-3 often wins a small pot or loses a big one. And sometimes a limper 3-bets, as happens here.

I couldn't fold here with top pair after they all checked. So that leaves call or raise and I think I'd raise in case somebody behind picked up a flush or other draw. I think about folding if it gets 3-bet.

On the river, I call a bet and bet if checked to.

[newhizzle]

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i would raise here, and i also think you might want to bet this flop.


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youd bet into a LRRer and a big field with a 3 kicker on your king?

how often do you think we are good here?(before the flop gets checked around)

[newhizzle]

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I would have folded pre-flop because I think K-3 often wins a small pot or loses a big one. And sometimes a limper 3-bets, as happens here.


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im usually playing most suited crads in this spot, maybe i shouldnt unless im closing the action?

[tongni]

MP2 has somewhere between nothing and near nothing. I would raise and pray.

PREFLOP: Getting potentially 13-1 odds to call, I would call with K3s, the pot is too big to consider folding this hand despite your bad relative position and the small chance someone may LRR.

FLOP: The pot is so big right now I dont think it matters much whether you bet this flop or check and call. But if you are checking this flop becuz you fear MP2's hand, then I dont like it. Given the preflop action you should realize that the MP2 does not have a strong hand, he limp reraised after two people initially called in front of him(this means if he had a monster hand like AA,KK,QQ he wouldve raised right away since he already has his market. When somebody limp reraises in this situation it almost always means a speculative holding that plays well multiway like 55, or T9s.

TURN: Your check on the flop actually set you up perfectly on the turn to protect your hand. You should definitely raise this turn, the SB couldve easily played QQ this way and thats the only excuse you need to make raising correct here in this large pot. You dont need to think of yourself as a favorite before you consider raising in this spot. The pot is large enough where you only need to have the best hand a small percentage of time to make raising correct. A raise is vital to protect your hand from the gutshot/5 outer draws the times your hand is good.

RIVER: If you dont improve, check it down.

[newhizzle]

well, im in the process of setting up my new hard drive and my old one [censored] up shortly after posting this, so i dont have access to the hand history right now, but ill give the results as i remember them

once again, i pussied out and called, it was raised behind me, folded to SB who called, i folded

river was either a 7 or an 8

SB checked, turn raiser(im pretty sure it was not the LRRer) bet, SB called

SB had QQ, turn raiser had either 58 or 57 for the rivered straight and my hand was good on the turn

i guess i was just confused by the preflop action and big ass field, but looking back on it i think i had a clear raise and thinking this was a fold is pretty bad

edit: also looking back on the action, i dont think there was any reason to put the LRRer on a hand, he was porbly just looking to gamble in a big ass pot

[TheHip41]

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i would raise here, and i also think you might want to bet this flop.


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youd bet into a LRRer and a big field with a 3 kicker on your king?

how often do you think we are good here?(before the flop gets checked around)

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If you aren't going to bet when you flop a K, why are you calling raises with K-x?

[newhizzle]

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i would raise here, and i also think you might want to bet this flop.


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youd bet into a LRRer and a big field with a 3 kicker on your king?

how often do you think we are good here?(before the flop gets checked around)

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If you aren't going to bet when you flop a K, why are you calling raises with K-x?

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the main reason i played the hand was because it was suited, i dont know, im reading middle limit hold'em and maybe its weak-tightness is rubbing off on me /images/graemlins/frown.gif

ill just have to go back to my normal LAG strategy/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TheHip41]

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i would raise here, and i also think you might want to bet this flop.


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youd bet into a LRRer and a big field with a 3 kicker on your king?

how often do you think we are good here?(before the flop gets checked around)

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If you aren't going to bet when you flop a K, why are you calling raises with K-x?

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the main reason i played the hand was because it was suited, i dont know, im reading middle limit hold'em and maybe its weak-tightness is rubbing off on me /images/graemlins/frown.gif

ill just have to go back to my normal LAG strategy/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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come on hizzle, these guys are just as dumb as the 2/4 ppl you were seeing when I was playing with you, they just have more $$$. If that flop gets checked though, in that big of a pot, no one has a real hand.

[Marduk]

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I would have folded pre-flop because I think K-3 often wins a small pot or loses a big one. And sometimes a limper 3-bets, as happens here.

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This is completely wrong. If Hero misses the flop and folds, then he loses a small pot. If the flop comes something miraculous like A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, then he can win a big pot.

[elmo]

2 suited cards vrs. 5 opponents- I'm calling 27s here

[flawless_victory]

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come on hizzle, these guys are just as dumb as the 2/4 ppl you were seeing when I was playing with you, they just have more $$$.

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you have no idea of what youre talking about.

[ggbman]

I'm suprised no one has said this yet, but this turn is an absurdley easy raise. Like one of the easiest riases ever. The pot is pretty damn big and it got checked around on the flop. You can obvioulsy fold to a 3 bet, but that is going to extremely uncommon given the flop action. You are raise for a free showodwn here, because a lot of the time kings that have you beat will put in 0 more bets after they call your turn raise. Also, you want to shut out the other players fromt he pot, the chances of one of them having you beat are extremely minute.

[bank]

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come on hizzle, these guys are just as dumb as the 2/4 ppl you were seeing when I was playing with you, they just have more $$$. If that flop gets checked though, in that big of a pot, no one has a real hand.

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um. lol.

[skp]

Even before the flop comes down, it should be clear that the limp reraiser does not have a big preflop hand like AA KK, or AKs. He's got a suited connector or maybe a dinky little pair but it's mostly a suited conector. If it was UTG who limp reraised preflop, then his most likely hand would be a big mitt like AA et al.

So, you should bet the flop here. It's rainbow and you need to purify the flop. You don't want it to get checked around and give someone a big draw to the river eg. teh 8s comes and gives a guy holding T9 and another guy holding two spades big draws.

Having played it the way you did, you raise the turn here. This is a big pot. I also would not automatically fold if I got 3 bet. It's a big pot...er, I said that already...but a 3 bet now is not reason enough to believe that you are up against a set. I might fold. It depends on who raises and all that. I am just saying that automatically folding to a 3 bet in this huge pot is wrong.