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W. Deranged

12-02-2005, 07:08 PM

I don't have much of a read on villain at this point. I'm only playing two tables and playing decent attention, but this is like the one guy at the table I don't have a note on. I don't have numbers for Stars to speak of.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Deranged is SB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Deranged 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

imported_stealthcow

12-02-2005, 07:12 PM

i dont 3bet unknowns out of the sb with 44

stealthcow-

WillMagic

12-02-2005, 07:14 PM

I fold preflop, and I don't make the river bluff.

Will

shark6

12-02-2005, 07:14 PM

Villian would have to be a known weak-tightie to try this.

Cumulonimbus

12-02-2005, 07:15 PM

I've thought about taking that preflop line before many times, just never did it since I figured 2+2 would frown on it.

Flop is auto, turn is nice, river is close. I expect to see Ace high here a lot. I don't know, I'd probably desperation bluff it, but after the hand, in retrospect, I'd probably decide on a measly check/fold.

***Nevermind that! I didn't look at the flop texture. It'd be nice to fold a busted draw, and I think you can do that 1 in 6.5 times. Good bluff.

Nick C

12-02-2005, 07:17 PM

What a crappy flop. I kind of just want to say the hell with it and check-fold. I also wish I didn't have the initiative.

BWebb

12-02-2005, 07:19 PM

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i dont 3bet unknowns out of the sb with 44

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oxymoron

12-02-2005, 07:27 PM

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I don't have much of a read on villain at this point. I'm only playing two tables and playing decent attention, but this is like the one guy at the table I don't have a note on. I don't have numbers for Stars to speak of.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Deranged is SB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Deranged 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Deranged bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

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Perhaps it's because I play a lot of SnG's and shorthanded games that I like 3betting hands like this on occasion to get myself HU. As long as MP does not have a higher PP you are slightly ahead. You are out of position but you are HU.

I like everything but I check/fold the river. Doesn't sound like he is folding with A high and he beats you with it.

toss

12-02-2005, 07:45 PM

I fold preflop but thats just me. When its the HiJack raising I'll 3-bet.

River is interesting. Betting is the only way you can win. I don't mind it here since villain can be on a flush draw/straight draw without an Ace.

bakku

12-02-2005, 07:46 PM

i'm folding pf

CanKid

12-02-2005, 09:33 PM

I'm folding preflop.

or

I'm check folding this turn.

Nick C

12-02-2005, 09:36 PM

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I'm folding preflop.

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I'm check folding this turn.

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If we're check-folding the turn, then I don't think we should bother betting the flop.

On that board, Villain isn't folding much of anything he raised with preflop. 77, maybe, but what else?

CanKid

12-02-2005, 09:48 PM

I don't mind betting the flop, concern is he/she fires AJ/KJ/AK if we check, but I think they check that down a chunk of the time. If we check the flop - river, we're facing a bet from those hands at some point.

Folding out a couple hands on the flop, Axs, small pairs. I don't mind a river bet if they check through the turn and river blanks off. I just hate putting 2 more BBs into this pot after they call the flop.

3-betting from the SB and check folding that flop is extremely weaksauce. Another reason I just fold this preflop.