espn coverage

[GrannyMae]

i like that it has a totally different look and feel as the WPT.

what i don't understand is who has the peek cams and who does not. i guess that they put them in from of the notable players.

varkoni (sp?) opened with AA back to back, and he has a peek cam. however, doyle does not. hmmm

first commercial break had Nike, an e-mortgage company. no online sites yet.

hellmuth's empty seat is what they started the second session with.

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[GrannyMae]

ok, doyle DOES have a peek cam.

maybe they all do at the "featured table". there is no way they had 800+ of them from the beginning.

doyle dragged a pot with his 10-2

will we see fishy? how will we know?

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[TimTimSalabim]

I see they not only show the hole cards, but they tell what %favorite the strong hand is, and show how it changes. This is really becoming a case of one-upmanship. Take that, Travel Channel!

[GrannyMae]

hellmuth just called himself the michael jordan of poker after showing up 1 hour late

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btw, i just figured out that they have "featured tables"

[Jimbo]

Yeah Granny that Hellmouth quote sickened me as well. Where is BBill with his puking bird when you need him? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[mostsmooth]

that was funny
moneymaker, probably wont be doing much of that
lol

[GrannyMae]

Where is BBill with his puking bird when you need him?

jmho, but that is one of the greatest avatars in the history of 2+2. he actually changed it a long time ago, and i BEGGED him to bring it back. it is like a pet to me, and those bloodshot eyes are the NUTZ.

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[GrannyMae]

that was a nice image..

discussion of "dead money", scene trails off with a fat, sweaty guy stepping off the moving sidewalk on his way to the gate at the airport to leave town.

rofl

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[dux]

The Michael Jordan of poker eh?

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[GrannyMae]

woohoo

he's sooooo cute

[GrannyMae]

episode one over.

good news is that i is going to be a long series since they did not go far with the action.

the bad news is the lack of online pokersite commercials.

hellmouth's UB gear stood out well, but that was about it.

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now what the HELL was this crap with slim today?? this is bad timing methinks.

(cross posted from rgp)

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On-air slur turns poker face red
Card shark sorry, but radio station still wields a club

By Jean Torkelson, Rocky Mountain News
July 8, 2003

Poker king Amarillo Slim and everybody else involved agree the legendary
gambler uttered an anti-Semitic slur during KOA radio's Sports Zoo on
Thursday.

But when it happened, and what happened afterward, is in dispute.

The one-time World Series of Poker winner, whose full name is Amarillo Slim
Preston, is beginning a national tour to promote his memoir, Amarillo Slim
in a World Full of Fat People. He was in Colorado to make a promotional
visit to a casino.KOA's management is so incensed about the 74-year-old
casino star's remark that it's alerting future tour stops that include The
Late Show with David Letterman and Larry King Live.

"We don't want it to happen to anyone else," said KOA program director Jerry
Bell.

But Preston insists he believed he was off the air when he described an
encounter with Joey Bishop 20 years ago during which he called the comic a
"m----- f------ Jew."

Reached Monday as he was driving back to his Texas ranch, Preston was
shocked that KOA intends to warn his national tour stops about his on-air
slur."Are you serious? That's not proper. I'm sure they felt badly, but not
nearly as badly as me," he said.

The incident occurred as Sports Zoo host Dave Logan and guest co-host Les
Shapiro were winding up the interview.

The threesome had been batting around listener calls and "having a lot of
fun," said Preston's local publicist, Jim Czupor, who was sitting with the
group.

Preston said he saw Logan take off his headset and assumed they were
entering a commercial break.

But Logan and the show's producer, Alan Jackson, as well as Czupor, dispute
that.

"I knew we were still on the air," Czupor said. "I wanted to go find a place
to hide."

Preston forged ahead with a story about meeting Bishop on The Tonight Show.
He said Monday he made the remark to needle Bishop about his supposed desire
to take over the show from host Johnny Carson. Preston said he believed he
was telling the story off the air.

"I don't drink or do any drugs or hallucinate, and certainly no one would
say that unless they thought only five grown men were in that room," said
Preston, who added he was "remorseful and sorry" for the
incident.Thunderstruck, Logan said he replied on the air, "Slim, you can't
say that" and quickly went to a break.

Logan also claims that when he asked his mortified guest if he wanted to
apologize on the air, Preston replied, "Son, sometimes when you stir the
(pot), it just stinks more."

In Preston's account, the radio host treated his slip as inadvertent and
indicated he would smooth things over.



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[jasonHoldEm]

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i like that it has a totally different look and feel as the WPT.

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Agreed, I thought it was more laid back than the WPT, but I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. I liked the fact they showed a lot of background/interviews. I hope that the ratio of play to background will slowly shift towards more play later though (and I hope they resist the temptation to replay/restate what has already been covered...imagine having to listen to Phil's interview again and again /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif ).

In some ways I was disappointed they slipped moneymaker into the first episode...I think it might have been nice to see him pop up later. Give him a spin like "We didn't even tell you about this guy until now because we didn't think he had a chance"..."Wow, anyone must be able to win the WSOP"..."How did you get here Chris?" "I won my buy-in at PokerStars.com"...etc etc. I have ulterior motives I guess.

All in all, I thought it was good, but not great...there is still a lot of room to improve and I'm sure they'll be pulling out some new tricks later.

[WhiteBoy]

Phil H. was playing 80-160 HE with Matusow and Bigler early this morning. He burned through 3-6K in less than an hour. When added to his previous 80HE losses, I am amazed he has bus fare.

Perhaps he was saying he's like MJ in the sense that MJ is a compulsive gambler. /forums/images/icons/confused.gif

-WhiteBoy

[dux]

Perhaps he was saying he's like MJ in the sense that MJ is a compulsive gambler.

ROFL...that might just be the case.

[WhiteBoy]

I liked the look and feel of the 2003 WSOP but I am not pleased with the lack of info about the schedule. In fact, my TIVO (which normally knows and sees all), doesn't seem to think this is a continuing series. I see a few future runs of the show but they look like re-runs of the same episode.

Where did you get your listings? How many episodes are expected? /forums/images/icons/confused.gif

-WhiteBoy

[Inthacup]

I loved the background on Varkyoni. The guy is a defending World Champ and he's getting lessons on how to play like a robot. The interview was complete with Varkyoni giving a robot impression. The best thing was that he didn't need to alter his voice to imitate the dweeby bot. My sides were hurting by the end of that interview.

[TruePoker CEO]

LOL

[GrannyMae]

Where did you get your listings? How many episodes are expected?

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got it from here (http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?gID=1&amp;ID=188071)

[Miah]

I'll repost my reply to Easy E's post in the New forum because it pretty much sums up my sentiments. I'll add, or rather reiterate, that I am very disapointed not to see bet amounts/raises/pot size and extremely disapointed to not see any advertising from the likes of party/paradise etc. Here it is:

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His notebook said something to the effect of "robert varkony 2003 wsop" Not quite sure, but that’s close.

I liked it, but WPT blows it away without a doubt. Many of the camera angles leave much to be desired, and not announcing/displaying the bet/raise/pot amounts got me really angry as that is such a relevant factor in NL (which unlike limit you can't figure out by commentators "blah raises the pot" etc)

Entertaining it was, but it was no WPT. I'm also, or should I say my wallet is very disappointed that there were no commercials for some *cough* pokerstars *cough* online poker rooms. I'm extremely surprised paradise didn't take a stab at it as we can all see how well Party's advertising has paid them off. I was really expecting to see a strong presence from them tonight, I figured they would try to win back their market share by advertising on what is undoubtedly the larger broadcasting network.

In summary, WPT has set the standard and while ESPN's coverage is entertaining and provides a slightly more robust commentary, it is not much better than their previous coverage of the WSOP, just has some more "frills" (in regards to their prior WSOP coverage). The WPT provides much more information to the viewer and has many more "newbie" friendly attributes.


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[jasonHoldEm]

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my wallet is very disappointed that there were no commercials for some *cough* pokerstars *cough* online poker rooms

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(My guess, but if you think about it this makes sense)

1. I'm sure it's much more expensive to advertise on ESPN (with huge market penetration compared to the Travel Channel)

2. The online sites are waiting for the numbers to make sure the cost will be worth it (remember there was no advertising during the first couple WPT episodes either).

I'm betting by the time the final episode airs there will be ads (at least I hope /forums/images/icons/smile.gif ).

[Annie Duke]

UltimateBet did inquire with ESPN about advertising. Unfortunately ESPN will not accept advertising from any company promoting gambling.

Annie Duke
Consultant to UB

[Mike Haven]

or here (http://www.thepokerforum.com/pokerontv.htm) for us and uk listings

(with my thanks to sundown for giving me the link)

[Miah]

But they'll broadcast 7 shows an hour long each about gambling. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif Gotta love the double standards.

I guess another commercial from the Gambler's General Store will have to suffice.

On a somewhat related note did anyone else notice the significant pick up in traffic on paradise last night after the WSOP aired? Paradise’s servers were bogged down a bit and caused for play that was slower then they normally output. There was something like 4,000 player on if you include the play money. After checking poker pulse I saw that party still had nearly double the amount of real money players.

[guppy]

Even without advertising, I would think ESPN would be pretty much forced to at least mention online poker when the field narrows and they have to start talking about Moneymaker other than as "dead money". Not to mention Phil and his UB hat; how many more UB/PokerStars/??? hats are going to be floating around on camera?

I'm not surprised ESPN won't advertise gambling, since they have to stay in the good graces of the squeamish NCAA. I imagine they occasionally get heat for mentioning point spreads.

[GrannyMae]

well, there is our answer.

&lt;/speculation&gt;

thx annie.

i would guess tho that the final 2 episodes will provide a bunch of free advertising by the analysis of Chris Moneymaker's journey to the money.

pokerstars will definately get a bunch of camera time because of the gear they were made to wear, and people will be well aware of his online qualifying.

now the challenge is how to get your site mentioned through this. fortunately for UB, espn has a fascination with hellmuth, so his UB hats will get alot of coverage.

i see that they featured you already in the first episode annie, is there more footage yet to be seen from you where you were able to "plug" UB?

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[Homer]

Thanks for the info Granny. I definitely need to cut out of work early on Friday to see this:

Fri 11 12:30 PM Saved by the Bell: The College Years: The Poker Game

I have not seen this episode yet, but my friends tell me that it is a classic. I told them sitcoms that have only 14 episodes by nature cannot contain classic episodes, but they vehemently disagreed. I must say, after hearing the plot summary, I have changed my tune.

Apparently, in this episode, Screech hustles Zack and Slater out of the money they've been saving to buy U2 concert tickets. The episode begins with the gents playing a friendly matchstick game of 5-card draw. Screech is losing hand after hand, masterfully playing the part of a mega-fish. But what his friends don't know is that he is setting them up for the ultimate payback for their years and years of abuse. After blowing off half his stack, he feigns tilt and demands that the stakes be upped to NL and the game be changed to triple-draw 2-7 lowball. His comrads instantly agree, as visions of front-row seats creep through their heads...... Well, I don't want to give the ending away, but let me just say that I never knew about Screech's passion for midget transexual prostitutes.

-- Homer

[Inthacup]

I never knew about Screech's passion for midget transexual prostitutes.

That's the whole reason for watching the show. Seriously though, very funny stuff Homer. On other Screech related topics, one of my favorite parts in "Made" is when they let Screech into the nightclub that Vince and Jon are trying to get into and Vince dogs the bouncer for letting Screech in.

[GrannyMae]

lmao

nh homer

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[BBill]

Where is BBill with his puking bird when you need him?

I'm Here !! just a few days late reading /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
ESPN is airing 2003 WSOP and I didn't know (till now) !!and Comcast includes ESPN. yay. Up until now they have just broadcast things like 2001 WSOP final few hours condensed, over and over but this sounds like it might be good even if Phil H. does grace us with his prattle.
Actually I've been watching borrowed vhs tapes of the WPT. Just watched PPMillion and the Reno Shows - not bad at all !
WSOP 3 will take priority though.
Tks for the info !

bbill

[lefty rosen]

Going through 3000 at 80/160 is nothing its like losing about 260 at 10/20 would anybody think that was major loss at that level? Especially considering it's online play, it seems dumping on Phil is national pastime on this site....

[SwordFish]

Lefty -

Not to nitpik since I agree with your point, but losing $3000 at 80/160 is equivilent to losing $375 at 10/20. Still only about 19BB.

SF

[HUSKER'66]

Lefty, I'm in agreement with you on sticking up for Phil. I know that he has behaved "badly" but he has admitted his misgivings and has tried to act accordingly. I don't find him any more offensive/obnoxious than a lot of players that don't have the track record or success. He may talk a lot of "smack" but he is at least has the tournament wins to back it up.Heck, I'll even admit I bought his book! /forums/images/icons/blush.gif (though at a discount /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif )I don't subscribe to a lot of what he suggest, but who am I to blindly look past all the money that he has won since turning pro.

[lefty rosen]

Well I was more for the "swings" I mean it's nothing for those stakes, and yeah my calculation was off because it was 4am and my brain was fried.........

[WhiteBoy]

My comments about Phil's inability to play limit hold'em were based on more than his recent losses at the UB 80-160. (25K a month or so ago and 3-4K last week.) I have played and/or watched several games with him and he just sucks. Furthermore, many pros that I know share this opinion of his limit hold'em game.

What you must recognize is that many good tournament players are unable to adjust to the proper strategy for cash games. In Phil's case, he can't play limit hold'em.

-WhiteBoy

[DILLIGAF]

ESPN did a fabulous job of the first installment of the WSOP. Looking forward to next Tues night. It deffiantley has a different look and feel than the WPT. I like the fact that I don't have to listen to Vince and Mike's sometime annoying commentary.

Dill

[Mac]

hahha, nice, Homer, I loved that show, I don't know how I missed that episode

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- MAC

[GrannyMae]

I like the fact that I don't have to listen to Vince and Mike's sometime annoying commentary.

the "hollywood home-game sensation" can go swallow a bottle of vicodin for all i care.

however, sexton is the nuts with his commentary IMO. he has the perfect voice for announcing, and does a spectacular job.

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[jasonHoldEm]

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the "hollywood home-game sensation" can go swallow a bottle of vicodin for all i care

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Don't let him off that easily...let's make it draino or lye or something nasty. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[lefty rosen]

I don't understand why? Limit poker is infinately easier than unlimited tournament, it's very robotic and easier to read the player, plus if you have the stack there is no fear of throwing away a unit or two for a scouting report.

[WhiteBoy]

There are many people who strongly disagree with the statement that limit hold'em is an easier game to master than NL. I think Mason or one of the other respected poker writers has discussed this in an article. Perhaps someone can direct you to one of the articles.

In general, the idea that a professional poker player has equal skill in all areas of the game is silly. The poker world is filled with people who are good at some games and average or bad at others. The same holds true for different betting structures.

Phil can be a world class poker player without being a good limit HE player. I am not trying to minimize his overall success when I say that he sucks at limit HE, I'm just commenting on a readily observable fact. Good players are usually recognized as being good by other players. Good players also win money. I don't think Phil has consisten;y made money playing limit HE, and I don't think many of his peers think limit HE is his strong suit.

-WhiteBoy

[fnurt]

It's just a different game. Particularly if you have an aggressive style like Hellmuth it's harder to run people off a hand in limit. Plus losing an extra bet or two here and there is more significant because you don't have the massive implied odds on every hand to win it back.

[Prickly Pete]

I liked the ESPN coverage ok, but have a hard time figuring out when they have a "real hand" or not. /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif

[mrbaseball]

I'm no fan of Hellmuth. In fact I consider him a buffoon. But I am pretty sure he won a limit hold 'em event at this years WSOP. I understand that tournies and big money cash limit games play differently too.

[lefty rosen]

Actually you have a point, if there is a flaw in my game it's the transition from the shorttable mentality to the fulltable. You have to play different styles to be affective at each game. Maybe Phil has the same problem. Also if he is getting torched the way people describe he must be playing with his own money, No way ultimate bet would want to spread all that money around.......

[ChipWrecked]

No way ultimate bet would want to spread all that money around.......

Probably true. But if the word is spreading that you can watch Phil get his ass kicked on UB (this thread even contributes), that must drive some new downloads there. Publicity is good, even if you have to pay for it.

[WhiteBoy]

The games happen at random times once or twice a month. If it's a publicity stunt, it's poorly designed.

-WhiteBoy

[MaqEvil]

I watched him get his ass kicked two nights in a row at the omaha/8 80-160 last week.

[John Ho]

Phil's problem is he makes too many throwaway calls on the end. He is taking the "don't fold the best hand on the river" thing too far and calling with many ridiculous holdings. Those little mistakes he would never make in no limit add up more in limit.