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Scuba Chuck
12-02-2005, 02:53 PM
Okay, from this post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4081931&an=0&page=0#Post 4081931) we talked about by how much to raise. Let's now move on to the flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Hero (t715)
CO (t195)
Button (t1310)
SB (t1640)
BB (t770)
UTG (t715)
UTG+1 (t915)
UTG+2 (t760)
MP1 (t485)
MP2 (t495)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t225) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif
utg checks, hero...

What's your bet amount?
What's your plan if called/raised?

pergesu
12-02-2005, 02:58 PM
I bet 175, and if he raises I shove. If called I just open shove the turn.

jb9
12-02-2005, 02:58 PM
I bet 150.

If he raises, I'll re-raise all in.

If he calls the flop, one way or another all my chips get in on the turn.

bluef0x
12-02-2005, 02:59 PM
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I bet 175, and if he raises I shove. If called I just open shove the turn.

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pretty easy.

Scuba Chuck
12-02-2005, 03:18 PM
Do you change how you play if the flop is rainbow rather than two tone?

Here's what I'm thinking. We didn't do a magnificent job protecting our hand preflop. Are we getting paid off enough (this is a $33) by weaker aces to make this line valuable?

bluef0x
12-02-2005, 03:22 PM
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Do you change how you play if the flop is rainbow rather than two tone?

Here's what I'm thinking. We didn't do a magnificent job protecting our hand preflop. Are we getting paid off enough (this is a $33) by weaker aces to make this line valuable?

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I don't think you need to 'protect' your hand... your gaining a lot of value with that raise. I'm not scared of the flush either... I'd like to get all my money in on this flop.

If it's rainbow I'm going to raise half-2/3rds of the pot. If he calls I bet another half pot on pretty much any turn... I REALLY want my money in with this hand and going to try to extract the most possible. You'll get plaid off plenty by weaker aces.

citanul
12-02-2005, 03:25 PM
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Do you change how you play if the flop is rainbow rather than two tone?

Here's what I'm thinking. We didn't do a magnificent job protecting our hand preflop. Are we getting paid off enough (this is a $33) by weaker aces to make this line valuable?

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a weaker ace is giving you his whole stack 90+% of the time on this flop in this situation.

bet the flop. you're going to get action from flush draws, sets, two pairses and all aces. if you know that the guy could think "hey that's a weak bet, i'll push even more of the time" i bet a little less than i bet otherwise. you're not likely to get him to put all his chips in with less than an ace on the flop.

if i know the guy doesn't checkraise, i check behind on the flop to induce a bluff on the turn.

you should be comfortable going to the felt with your hand heads up in this spot 100% of the time.

c

kamrann
12-02-2005, 03:26 PM
What are you thinking of as an alternative? You have about 600 back and theres over 200 in the middle. The pot is already plenty valuable to us, so I don't like letting someone catch a 2nd pair for free.

This is an interesting one for me though. It seems like lately every time I get AK early on, the flop is ATx, and I lose my stack to TT.

12-02-2005, 03:28 PM
I agree with betting 175 on the flop and pushing to a raise, and on the turn there isnt much else you can do but push. If the flop in Rainbow I would be more inclined to bet half the pot on the flop and "Pot" the turn if he calls.

citanul
12-02-2005, 03:28 PM
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This is an interesting one for me though. It seems like lately every time I get AK early on, the flop is ATx, and I lose my stack to TT.

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO

liucipher
12-02-2005, 03:30 PM
This may be a stupid question, but I think I've forgotten how to continuation bet.

How much would you have bet if he checked and the flop was a whiff? Let's say it came the A was a Q.

How much would you have bet if the raise preflop had been 120-150 instead of 90?

Thanks.

citanul
12-02-2005, 03:33 PM
if i bet, between 1/2 and full pot or a push, just like when i hit.

how's that for a [censored] answer?

12-02-2005, 03:33 PM
I tend not to change the size of my continuation bet vs. a bet when I hit. 1/2 to 3/4 the pot or somewhere in the middle of that.

liucipher
12-02-2005, 03:40 PM
Do you bet 100% of the time? Or will it change w/ the texture of the board?

durron597
12-02-2005, 03:42 PM
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This is an interesting one for me though. It seems like lately every time I get AK early on, the flop is ATx, and I lose my stack to TT.

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OMFGG!!!G!!!G!G!G!!1111 i hate that!

12-02-2005, 03:52 PM
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I bet 175, and if he raises I shove. If called I just open shove the turn.

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I like to think I'd do the same. If the flop was rainbow, I might bet a bet less (150) on the flop; with the two spades, I might bet a bit more (200), but none of that should make a big difference. I just want to make it a little more expensive for him to chase a flush.

citanul
12-02-2005, 03:55 PM
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Do you bet 100% of the time? Or will it change w/ the texture of the board?

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that's what the if was for in the other post. no i don't. and yes, it does.

kevkev60614
12-02-2005, 03:56 PM
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I bet 175, and if he raises I shove. If called I just open shove the turn.

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What hands are villain raising with here?

citanul
12-02-2005, 03:57 PM
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I bet 175, and if he raises I shove. If called I just open shove the turn.

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What hands are villain raising with here?

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too many.