How much do you bet here?

[Scuba Chuck]

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Hero (t715)
CO (t195)
Button (t1310)
SB (t1640)
BB (t770)
UTG (t715)
UTG+1 (t915)
UTG+2 (t760)
MP1 (t485)
MP2 (t495)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>

[tigerite]

t120, usually. But t90 is ok too.

[bennies]

150

[applejuicekid]

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150

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150. 2x limpers + 3x BB

[tigerite]

t150 is a bit aggro here I think. There's only one limper and the reason you raise with AK is to get it heads up. I can see where Scuba is coming from with t90, because it should be enough to fold the blinds. However, you also raise so that anyone calling with a lesser A is charged the most, so I'm not sure t90 is enough to achieve that goal, unless you feel comfortable they'll call a lot of bets post-flop with Axx on the board.

[Bonafone]

I do around 105-115, i like it.

[Sciolist]

I bet 3x plus 1x per limper. I know some people like to make it 2x per limper, I'm just more comfortable with one. I also sometimes make it 4x as a "base" value in the first couple of limits.

[jb9]

90 about 75% of the time; 120 the other times.

I'm more inclined to bet 120 if the button/blinds are loose.

[Matt R.]

I'd pot it for 135 typically (so anywhere from 120-150 seems fine, but I'm inclined to bet &gt;135 rather than less). I'm sure you're getting at the awkwardness of your stack size after you put in a decent raise and miss the flop. If called, I almost always move in on the flop in these instances, unless there are way too many players that call and see the flop.

[Insty]

Anywhere between 75 and 125 depending on whether the limper is likely to fold.
If he wont fold, I'll bet 75 so it's easier to get away from if I miss, as I'm likely to get called down with bottom pair.
If I think he will fold, I'll bet 125 because if he doesn't fold preflop he's also more likely to check fold the flop if he misses.

[BeerMoney]

Make it a prime number somewhere around 120. Either 113 or 127 will do.

[Hendricks433]

150 is way too much IMO. I raise to like 100- 120 max.

[durron597]

On Stars I make this 120 in level 2. On party I'd make it 100.

[jb9]

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I'm sure you're getting at the awkwardness of your stack size after you put in a decent raise and miss the flop. If called, I almost always move in on the flop in these instances, unless there are way too many players that call and see the flop.

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Are you saying you go all in on the flop with an unimproved AKo at a full table at level 2?

[sng-sam]

You play $215s right? t90 is probably enough to get it heads up at the $215s I would think.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

[Insty]

What buyin are we talking about?

That is likely to cause some confusion.
I was talking about the Party $22 and $33's where I'm spending a lot of my time these days.

[tigerite]

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You play $215s right? t90 is probably enough to get it heads up at the $215s I would think.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

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Scuba plays the $22s.

[GtrHtr]

I'd like to see the rest of the hand and for that matter the HH leading up to this hand. Feel free to send it to me cause I'm curious about a couple of things.

I think t90 is ok. I think t150 is a bit much, might as well push if ur gonna do that IMO. I think limping from your position is ok too. I'm not that tied to limping but one thing to think about in making a case for it here is how would you play 77-99 from the same position?

[2Fast2Furious]

on the 11s I think I bet like t125 with one limper but t90 isn't bad - t150 sounds like way to much since you want to get a little action - it's t150 though if there are a couple more limpers as guys will play all sorts of aces you might not get to heads up if you lob in only a a 3x raise with like 3 limpers.

Am wondering, what do most people do earlier on when blinds are 10/15 on Party? I still put in at least a t75 raise usually but am wondering if that's too much - I seem to frequently get like 2-3 calls from limpers even with 75 sometimes

[BeerMoney]

I think you're really missing how important it is to bet a prime number.

On the 109s and 215s I'd make it t100.
On the lower buyins I probably would've made it t120+

[Degen]

Am i the only one that thinks the buy in is important?

11-22 200
33-55 150
109 125

ish

[2Fast2Furious]

buy-in very important - t200 sounds a bit high to me for 11s-22s but I know the angle there as you might get 5 callers with a t90 bet! I think t125 is enough to weed out the real donks and get a little action and also to give you fold equity to someone with AA KK going all-in

[bigt439]

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150. 2x limpers + 3x BB

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100-110 makes it way easier to c-bet.

[citanul]

usually: 90-150, depending on the limper

sometimes: all of it, depending on more stuff

For those of you who are betting t150 here, what are you doing in the very common scenario that just limper calls, rags flop, and you're checked to?

It seems to me that our stack size sucks for this big of a raise.

[Scuba Chuck]

This is a $33 buyin if that matters to you.

[Matt R.]

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I'm sure you're getting at the awkwardness of your stack size after you put in a decent raise and miss the flop. If called, I almost always move in on the flop in these instances, unless there are way too many players that call and see the flop.

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Are you saying you go all in on the flop with an unimproved AKo at a full table at level 2?

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If I only have one caller, definitely. Pot will be ~300 at that point and I don't have much more than that left in my stack. If there are more callers or someone makes a big bet first, probably not.

[Matt R.]

I push (see above). No reason to think your ace/king high isn't good, and most people will probably fold smaller pairs. Even if you raise less, a c-bet will still suck as it will look much weaker than a push, and your stack size will really be crappy if you get called on your weak looking bet. I prefer to put max pressure on preflop when I have a weak-ish stack and AK, and then move in regardless unless the action or the flop gets ugly.

[citanul]

i'm raising this much when i think that it's much more likely to make the blinds and the limper fold. that's a table conditions thing.

c

[jb9]

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Are you saying you go all in on the flop with an unimproved AKo at a full table at level 2?

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If I only have one caller, definitely. Pot will be ~300 at that point and I don't have much more than that left in my stack. If there are more callers or someone makes a big bet first, probably not.

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Interesting.

I admit I'm not comfortable being this aggressive this early with AK when I still have 20+ big bets (15+ big bets after the preflop raise).

It is a tough spot though, because if you play the hand strongly (but without going all in) and don't win the pot, you are going to be low on chips when the blinds go up...

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t150 is a bit aggro here I think. There's only one limper and the reason you raise with AK is to get it heads up. I can see where Scuba is coming from with t90, because it should be enough to fold the blinds. However, you also raise so that anyone calling with a lesser A is charged the most, so I'm not sure t90 is enough to achieve that goal, unless you feel comfortable they'll call a lot of bets post-flop with Axx on the board.

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Thanks for mentioning the reasons behind your bet -- much better than spouting a rule of thumb. I wonder: is the objective to get specifically heads up, or are you content if everyone folds to your raise? I tend to think that you want some action with your AK's at the early levels, so you are hoping that one player will come along.

As an aside, I do think players will often bet (or call) with lesser aces on an Axx flop.