What do you think of Eurobet?

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I just got signed up for a rakeback deal at Euro......1st question: They have a $600 matching sign up bonus.....is this similar to FTP, as far as being a tough bonus to clear?
Secondly, whats the game like on Euro since the split from party? Is it a slew of rock gardens and bonus whores?
Basically, is Euro worth playing, bonus whoring, both, or neither....thanks for your advice.

[ghostface]

Games are great, but the rake is terrible. If you have rb on party play there.

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thanks for the input

[TheHip41]

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I just got signed up for a rakeback deal at Euro......1st question: They have a $600 matching sign up bonus.....is this similar to FTP, as far as being a tough bonus to clear?
Secondly, whats the game like on Euro since the split from party? Is it a slew of rock gardens and bonus whores?
Basically, is Euro worth playing, bonus whoring, both, or neither....thanks for your advice.

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I'm playing a combo of 3-6 and 5-10 there. I've cleared 5000 points in five days. About 6000 hands total. At 3-6 and up, this bonus clears like the wind, and the rake isn't that bad at these levels.

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With bonus + rakeback the bonus IS JUST comparable to standard rakeback at stars for 2/4 and 3/6. The games are average.

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IS JUST comparable to standard rakeback at stars for 2/4 and 3/6

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Huh? Stars doesn't have any type of rakeback.

[Coolidge]

I'm clearing the bonus at 1/2 FR. It will take me about 12k hands, but that is alot more $ than I get from my 30% at BetOnBet.

[imitation]

sorry should stay standard rake rate at stars, ie with the rakeback your rake paid now equals what you are normally paying at stars

[Recliner]

Does the bonus count against MGR? And if so how much? Oh and how are the NL games there?

I play 5/10 and couldn't believe how quick the bonus cleared. It must be about 5x at this limit.

[BradleyT]

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I play 5/10 and couldn't believe how quick the bonus cleared. It must be about 5x at this limit.

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It's 6,000 points no matter what limit you're at. Points are based on rake. At $5/10 you're probably getting about 2 points per hand (which would require 3,000 hands). At $1/$2 the average is probably .5 - .7 points per hand.

[Grinder]

retarded interface not multitable friendly

[roueful]

Does it (unlike pokerroom) clear incrementally? Or lump sum?

Curious if anyone knows about MGR deductions too.

Bonus amount is deducted from the MGR.

[dark_horse]

i play 3/6 6max. is it worth it for me to clear the euro $600 bonus, or just play on stars with the better rake?

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i play 3/6 6max. is it worth it for me to clear the euro $600 bonus, or just play on stars with the better rake?

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bonus by far

[imitation]

no it's not better it's about the same and the games are HORRIBLE i generally think

[dark_horse]

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no it's not better it's about the same and the games are HORRIBLE i generally think

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which games, which limit, and full ring or 6max? i saw above that the $600 bonus is much more worth it if you play full ring, but the full ring games are pretty tight.

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I'm playing a combo of 3-6 and 5-10 there. I've cleared 5000 points in five days. About 6000 hands total. At 3-6 and up, this bonus clears like the wind, and the rake isn't that bad at these levels.

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Games are great, but the rake is terrible. If you have rb on party play there.

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Wheres the misunderstanding here? The rake at 3/6 SH is like 5bb/100. At party its around 3bb/100.

[Benholio]

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Wheres the misunderstanding here? The rake at 3/6 SH is like 5bb/100. At party its around 3bb/100.

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Well, if you are playing full ring, and you are a tight player, you are probably getting 80-120% of your rake back via bonus. The bonus clears proportionally to rake collected (but not contributed rake), so you can't write it off just because of a high rake schedule.

[imitation]

i'm playing 5/10 and 10/20 5max, the 5max games are appauling at these limits, mainly because i'm forced to play in all 4 of them running with 3 other tags waiting for a fish to sit down. It's horrid honestly.

[MicroBob]

you are forgetting that it's usually OTHER players that are paying for the rake-back that YOU are earning (since you are involved in fewer hands than them).

in other words: If I'm playing on site A with no deal at all then I would make more with 20% rake-back than I would if they just reduced the rake by 20% across the board.


For a tight-ag player rakeback >> reduced-rake.


If your play is on the weak-tightish side this would likely be even more pronounced (if you're 16/8 instead of 21/14).


Regarding the Euro bonus....I'm not sure the original poster realizes that Euro is a skin of poker-room now.
I really dislike the software there.

That said, I may actually go about trying to clear it anyway.
Haven't checked...is there an expiration date for it?

[imitation]

3mths bob, the games are really really terrible though to be honest, i see your point about the rake and I realised it, but the loss in winrate is not enough imo to compensate. I'm just clearing it because i'm a glutton for pain. And yes the software is horrrrrible, I play 4 tables and almost always seem to come to close to freezing up and time out atleast 3-5 times every 2hrs.

Seems like with poker room and its skins you either love it or hate it. I generally play 3/6 and 5/10 FR LHE and occasionaly 2/4 if I can't find good games. Table selection is key. I've been playing 3/6 and 5/10 lately and the games have been almost as soft as the Party microlimits. But you do have to watch out for when the LAGs bust out and get replaced by decent players. Maybe my experiences at Stars have only been when the tables were full of bonus chasing TAGs but they were a LOT tougher at 2/4 and 3/6 (the quality of the average player seemed a lot higher). High rake and all my win rate has always been much higher at PR and skins.

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Wheres the misunderstanding here? The rake at 3/6 SH is like 5bb/100. At party its around 3bb/100.

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Well, if you are playing full ring, and you are a tight player, you are probably getting 80-120% of your rake back via bonus. The bonus clears proportionally to rake collected (but not contributed rake), so you can't write it off just because of a high rake schedule.

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Right I was talking about SH tho. I cant speak for FR as I havent played it.

[hellite]

The $600 bonus obviously clears super fast at the 5/10 mand above. The idea that these games are rock gardens is completely inaccurate. if you can't beat the 5/10 game at euro (assuming you are not running bad) you should clearly be playing a lower limit. Even the tight players make some of the most idiotic flop calls. In general, the level of competition is rather weak. Plenty of lags to help inflate your winrate too. I would not do this bonus if I was playing 2/4 or lower though. The rake is killer at these levels and the bonus take way too long to clear.
Yes this software is terrible for multitabling. I usually play 3 tables, but if I play four I generally get timed out every once in a while.
It is noce to be able to use pt and pahud, but other than that this is close to the worst software i have used. A close second to the original version of Noble Poker.

[RikaKazak]

Well,
I personally like the software, and so far in december playing NL 400 up to NL 1K I've cleared 5,100 points on the site. The software takes a bit to get used to but once you do it's easy, I regularly multitable on it and have found no problems. The numbers are small yes, but you get used to it.

[imitation]

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The $600 bonus obviously clears super fast at the 5/10 mand above. The idea that these games are rock gardens is completely inaccurate. if you can't beat the 5/10 game at euro (assuming you are not running bad) you should clearly be playing a lower limit. Even the tight players make some of the most idiotic flop calls. In general, the level of competition is rather weak. Plenty of lags to help inflate your winrate too. I would not do this bonus if I was playing 2/4 or lower though. The rake is killer at these levels and the bonus take way too long to clear.
Yes this software is terrible for multitabling. I usually play 3 tables, but if I play four I generally get timed out every once in a while.
It is noce to be able to use pt and pahud, but other than that this is close to the worst software i have used. A close second to the original version of Noble Poker.

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Uhhh I think you miss the point, the games aren't rock gardens at SH, but the games are full of decent SH players, peeling is often correct in these fairly aggro games where people call down to much. I think you are exagerating how bad these games are, also LAGs generally make for higher variance and not really much of an improved winrate at all, infact many are playing correctly SH.

If you want to PM me the names of these BAD 5/10 and 10/20 players on Euro be all means, but i think you are mistaken and that generally these games with rakeback and bonus the profit margin is at best the same as Party + Rakeback.

[Ken_AA]

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The $600 bonus obviously clears super fast at the 5/10 mand above. The idea that these games are rock gardens is completely inaccurate. if you can't beat the 5/10 game at euro (assuming you are not running bad) you should clearly be playing a lower limit. Even the tight players make some of the most idiotic flop calls. In general, the level of competition is rather weak. Plenty of lags to help inflate your winrate too. I would not do this bonus if I was playing 2/4 or lower though. The rake is killer at these levels and the bonus take way too long to clear.
Yes this software is terrible for multitabling. I usually play 3 tables, but if I play four I generally get timed out every once in a while.
It is noce to be able to use pt and pahud, but other than that this is close to the worst software i have used. A close second to the original version of Noble Poker.

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Here is what I don't understand, and this is the same question I have about Paradise poker. If you can deposit, get the bonus, then withdrawl your original money, aren't you on a freeroll? I intend on doing the Paradise bonus in the next few weeks, and while I usually play 1-2 I am planning on playing 3-6 to help plow through it, and if I lose the 100 bucks at Paradise what does it matter? Wouldn't this logic apply to the free 600 at eurobet?

Ken

I hate eurobet sooooooooooooooooooooooo much. Trying to clear a bonus it's not worth it. Software is so bad it opens a new room in place of the tourney i'm already in sometimes so i have to go back to the lobby and manually reopen it. The sounds are annoying because of the card dealing but if you turn the sounds off it's hard to know when it's your turn. I have never hated a site so much.

[hellite]

I was replying to OP, so my comments are not really relevent to SH play. With such a high rake structure I would try and avoid the SH tables. The full tables are chock full of bad players. I was making no reference to short handed play so I'm at a loss as to how I am missing the point? The games and bonus for anybody playing 5/10 and 10/20 FULL are well worth the short amount of time required to clear this bonus.

[Sniper]

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If you can deposit, get the bonus, then withdrawl your original money, aren't you on a freeroll?

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"most" poker bonuses do not work the same, as "most" casino bonuses.

In general, with a poker bonus, the bonus will convert to "playable" cash only after you have played.

[MicroBob]

correct...and a valid point.

you don't get the cash until AFTER you complete the bonus.


One would be wise to pretty much look at these bonuses as a nice reduction of the rake and not as 'free' money.

If you want to step up your play to the next highest limit because you are getting a bonus then go for it....but the bonus doesn't really provide you THAT much protection against the variance (however...you will also be able to clear the bonus faster...up to you).

[Ken_AA]

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If you can deposit, get the bonus, then withdrawl your original money, aren't you on a freeroll?

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"most" poker bonuses do not work the same, as "most" casino bonuses.

In general, with a poker bonus, the bonus will convert to "playable" cash only after you have played.

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I stated something wrong in my first post. I meant Pacific Poker. I have been told you are given the bonus up front, and then can withdrawl. Am I wrong about this? If I am not, then I don't see it as a rake reduction I see it as a chance to get hit by the deck playing higher then you usually do, and clear a bonus quick.

Ken

[MicroBob]

If I recall correctly, Pacific gives you the bonus up front...but you are technically not allowed to cash-out anything until you meet the play-through requirement.
Some people were able to cash-out early though.
Did I remember this correctly at Pacific??

Their bonuses take a bit longer than usual to clear as well...and you can only play 1 table there.

[tassie]

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If I recall correctly, Pacific gives you the bonus up front...but you are technically not allowed to cash-out anything until you meet the play-through requirement.
Some people were able to cash-out early though.
Did I remember this correctly at Pacific??

Their bonuses take a bit longer than usual to clear as well...and you can only play 1 table there.

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correct. Deposit. Get paid bonus which is playable Cash our original deposit and play with bonus money. At least thats how it worked for me. Crap clearance rates and only one table. great for your first site in internet poker.