Best $50+5 Players... [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

Slim Pickens

12-01-2005, 05:53 AM

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Which best players do you guys tend to avoid at the $50+5 level on Party?

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It is stupid to "avoid" players. A better thing to do would be to figure out how to adapt to different styles (some of them very good in a vacuum) in different positions relative to you.

12-01-2005, 05:55 AM

I disagree that it's stupid to avoid players. Obviously, one would rather play a total donk than Phil Ivey.

Slim Pickens

12-01-2005, 06:04 AM

The concentration of "good" players isn't high enough to make the effort of avoiding players worth it at the 55's. Anyone who's any good is either

a) playing a higher limit or
b) 3249637892q113243278786-tabling and playing predictably.

12-01-2005, 06:05 AM

So who do you think are the best $50+5 players, Slim?

tigerite

12-01-2005, 06:05 AM

I don't even avoid people at the $109s. Seat selection is more important than table selection IMHO.

Exitonly

12-01-2005, 06:07 AM

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I don't even avoid people at the $109s. Seat selection is more important than table selection IMHO.

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so where is the best place to sit? in relation to players you think are good.

tigerite

12-01-2005, 06:08 AM

Depends on the player.

12-01-2005, 06:15 AM

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Depends on the player.

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How about:
A) VPiP 11%, PFR 6%
B) VPIP 28%, PFR 16%
C) VPIP 55%, PFR 3%

tigerite

12-01-2005, 06:18 AM

Well it's hard to say. I mean some 11%/6%'s are very passive and fold their blinds to you - others understand ICM and all that and push a lot.. 28%/16% generally try to be somewhere on their right, but not right next to them.. 55%/3% somewhere to their left, but it depends on if they are lovers of the "reverse gap concept" and limp then call a push from their sb with A4o, etc

There are no hard and fast answers.. also you won't see many 55%/3% more than once, they tend to disappear..

Slim Pickens

12-01-2005, 06:24 AM

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So who do you think are the best $50+5 players, Slim?

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Other than me of course... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Anyone who is a regular and doesn't obviously suck (and they're easy to spot even after as few as 100 tournaments) can be considered a "good" player. Eh, they're all just players. They do stuff. You do stuff back. The stuff you do depends on the stuff they do, and so on.

I won't purposely sit to the left of anyone I think understands proper bubble play. Other than that, any seat will do.

12-01-2005, 06:29 AM

"No one is good. They're all just players..."

Wow.

Slim Pickens

12-01-2005, 06:40 AM

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"No one is good. They're all just players..."

Wow.

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1) I don't think that's what I said, and I promise you that's not what I meant.
2) People get so wrapped up in trying to control every aspect of a game where 98% of the short-term success and 80% of the "long-term" success is the result of random chance. Most of the rest of that 20% you can control doesn't have a thing to do with table selection, so your effort is better spent elsewhere.

12-01-2005, 06:55 AM

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2) People get so wrapped up in trying to control every aspect of a game where 98% of the short-term success and 80% of the "long-term" success is the result of random chance.

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O RLY?

12-01-2005, 07:08 AM

Yeah, so... back to the point of this thread...

Who do you think are top $50+5 players on Party?

PartySNGer

12-01-2005, 07:20 AM

It's hard to say. I run into the guys who are at the top of the leaderboard a lot, but they don't even seem that good.

Some who I would say are solid are XxTabiasxX, ShipItHolla, and ThaCaumFlipa.

But as was said in this thread, I don't really fear the massive multitablers. I just know if they show strength early in the tourney to run and sometimes try to be more aggro against them on the bubble b/c they prob have tighter calling ranges and can't follow along as easily.

applejuicekid

12-01-2005, 07:24 AM

I don't understand the point of this thread. If you played any amount of $55's you will find out very quickly who the best players are. Like someone said earlier if you played 100 you would have a decent list.

tigerite

12-01-2005, 07:28 AM

XxTabiasXx is a 2p2'er - and one who has played the $215s before, so that's no surprise; ShipItHolla can often be found in the $109s as well, and yeah, he's decent.

12-01-2005, 09:03 AM

its really hard to stay away from tables when its late at nite or early in the mourning....i play with so many multi-tablers....XxTabiasXx, rsu_27, black_jak111....those are some of the names that pop up in my mind....but for the most part there are still players with many leaks...

handsome

12-01-2005, 09:06 AM

I avoid a couple of them. Not gonna say who. I try to maximize the dead money on the table.

citanul

12-01-2005, 11:04 AM

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O RLY?

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get this oot [censored] out of this forum.

it's not even funny there.

microbet

12-01-2005, 12:58 PM

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I disagree that it's stupid to avoid players. Obviously, one would rather play a total donk than Phil Ivey.

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I know what you mean, but I would hella hella rather play Phil Ivey than some donk.

As for the debate, if you are a pro and you feel your game is really solid I can see avoiding good players. If you are working on your game, I would go with what Slim said and work on adjusting to them.

microbet

12-01-2005, 01:15 PM

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I don't even avoid people at the $109s. Seat selection is more important than table selection IMHO.

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so where is the best place to sit? in relation to players you think are good.

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I generally try to sit far away from the decent players that I see over and over again.

Pokerscott

12-01-2005, 01:47 PM

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Some who I would say are solid are XxTabiasxX, ShipItHolla, and ThaCaumFlipa.

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For no other reason than the way he signs his posts, I always thought ShipItHolla was raptor. It's not? Doh!

Pokerscott

tigerite

12-01-2005, 03:05 PM

No I don't believe it's raptor.

bones

12-01-2005, 03:07 PM

It's bonafone I believe.

tigerite

12-01-2005, 03:08 PM

There's also a SHIP_IT_FISH. But he's not very good.

12-01-2005, 03:35 PM

shipitholla is raptor's friend and is only mediocre...

AA suited

12-01-2005, 03:41 PM

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Depends on the player.

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How about:
A) VPiP 11%, PFR 6%
B) VPIP 28%, PFR 16%
C) VPIP 55%, PFR 3%

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vpip and pfr #'s are misleading in SnGs. people play tight in the beginning, and push like a maniac when it's pushbot mode

Bonafone

12-01-2005, 06:08 PM

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shipitholla is raptor's friend and is only mediocre...

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But a very good mediocre right? Well at least people are starting to know I'm raptors friend, that's cool /images/graemlins/grin.gif. Just curious, what's your sn?

raptor517

12-01-2005, 06:28 PM

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shipitholla is raptor's friend and is only mediocre...

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hes def better than mediocre. he might not be able to beat step 4 highers for very much, but he sure as hell can pwn the 55s and 109s. and for the record so there is no confusion, its bonafone. holla

FieryJustice

12-01-2005, 08:41 PM

I just wanted to let everyone know that i have changed my mind about playing 150 $55s a day all month. Pwning the leaderboard, which I am 100% sure I could do, would be nice, but I would rather play $215s whenever I feel like it and relearn to pwn good, or at least better, people. Also, I want poker to be enjoyable and when 10 tabling $55s, it isnt at all. In fact, it sucks. So, I am going to be 8 tabling $215s whenever I feel like it and I will see where I go from there.

Also, shipitholla is the nuts!!!

raptor517

12-01-2005, 08:49 PM

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I just wanted to let everyone know that i have changed my mind about playing 150 $55s a day all month. Pwning the leaderboard, which I am 100% sure I could do, would be nice, but I would rather play $215s whenever I feel like it and relearn to pwn good, or at least better, people. Also, I want poker to be enjoyable and when 10 tabling $55s, it isnt at all. In fact, it sucks. So, I am going to be 8 tabling $215s whenever I feel like it and I will see where I go from there.

Also, shipitholla is the nuts!!!

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dont go broke /images/graemlins/wink.gif holla

Bonafone

12-01-2005, 08:58 PM

good for you, i like happy fiery alot better than grinding getting lucksacked fiery. and hey, your location is finally right again. now raptor just has to fix his. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Slim Pickens

12-01-2005, 08:59 PM

Yeah... you seemed a little on edge at the 55's... plus that makes one less player I have to not put two-four seats to my right. gl /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mr_J

12-01-2005, 09:06 PM

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I just wanted to let everyone know that i have changed my mind about playing 150 $55s a day all month.

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My stock just shot up.

12-02-2005, 03:57 AM

bump...still trying to get some names of very solid $50+5 players...

Bonafone

12-02-2005, 05:44 AM

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shipitholla is raptor's friend and is only mediocre...

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Sorry this has been bugging me. If I played the 55's i could almost guarantee I would be one of the best there. And i do have results to prove it.

tigerite

12-02-2005, 06:00 AM

Fret not bona, I've played you, and I think you're pretty good.

Custer

12-02-2005, 06:06 AM

Raptor, tell your buddy to quit calling all-ins from his BB with weak aces and low pocket pairs. He keeps calling me with these types of hands and he's hurting both of us. If his goal is to get me to stop raising his blinds, it won't work.

Bonafone

12-02-2005, 06:08 AM

Thanks, whats your sn? PM me if you don't want everyone to know. I do make some plays that look really donkish, but most of the time i have some reasoning behind it some of which is probably pretty stoopid. And why are you up so late? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bonafone

12-02-2005, 06:11 AM

Custer,

I am in the thread so you can talk to me. HH?

tigerite

12-02-2005, 06:12 AM

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Thanks, whats your sn? PM me if you don't want everyone to know. I do make some plays that look really donkish, but most of the time i have some reasoning behind it some of which is probably pretty stoopid. And why are you up so late? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Late? Heh, it's 10am here, I'm in the UK.

Bonafone

12-02-2005, 06:13 AM

tiger,

I'm special, I apologize. well good morning.

Annulus

12-02-2005, 06:16 AM

raptor517

12-02-2005, 07:34 AM

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Raptor, tell your buddy to quit calling all-ins from his BB with weak aces and low pocket pairs. He keeps calling me with these types of hands and he's hurting both of us. If his goal is to get me to stop raising his blinds, it won't work.

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you probably have a hole in yer game. its that you dont call enough from the bb. if the blinds are big enough, and yer shoving like 5-6x, im calling with alll sorts of pairs and almost any ace, especially if i know its a 2+2er and his range is huge. i doubt hes making much of an error, he plays solid. holla

The4Aces

12-02-2005, 08:01 AM

aggiepoker09

microbet

12-02-2005, 12:29 PM

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shipitholla is raptor's friend and is only mediocre...

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Sorry this has been bugging me. If I played the 55's i could almost guarantee I would be one of the best there. And i do have results to prove it.

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I've played Bonofone more than I've played anyone else. He's solid.

citanul

12-02-2005, 12:38 PM

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Raptor, tell your buddy to quit calling all-ins from his BB with weak aces and low pocket pairs. He keeps calling me with these types of hands and he's hurting both of us. If his goal is to get me to stop raising his blinds, it won't work.

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BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

i think that might actually be all i have to say on the subject.

c

citanul

12-02-2005, 12:43 PM

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Which players do you guys tend to avoid at the $50+5 level on Party?

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here, i'll give you a real answer:

none.

the second answer is:

why don't you play a few and make these decisions for yourself?

c

12-03-2005, 12:23 AM

i've played a few, citanual...a few thousand...

thanks

bonafone, i said you were only mediocre because i saw you push with a/3 offsuit from first position at an 8-man table...you had 1200 chips and blinds were 50/100...

citanul

12-03-2005, 12:57 AM

if you've played a few thousand and you still feel the need to ask a question this dumb, you need to get your head out of your ass. (i was going to write you can suck my dick, but my brother says i could get banned for that.)

citanul

bjb23

12-03-2005, 01:04 AM

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if you've played a few thousand and you still feel the need to ask a question this dumb, you need to get your head out of your ass. (i was going to write you can suck my dick, but my brother says i could get banned for that.)

citanul

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pure genius. /images/graemlins/grin.gif thanks for the laugh.

12-03-2005, 01:19 AM

I'll sell you a list for $20 per name. Just tell me how many you want /images/graemlins/smile.gif

12-03-2005, 01:22 AM

i've played a ton, but i still feel there are some great players out there of which i am not aware...

no reason to be such a dick...

Bonafone

12-03-2005, 01:47 AM

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bonafone, i said you were only mediocre because i saw you push with a/3 offsuit from first position at an 8-man table...you had 1200 chips and blinds were 50/100...

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I would love to see the hh, what level was this at?

12-03-2005, 02:16 AM

it was a few days ago...level 4

12-03-2005, 03:19 AM

maybe you missed the /images/graemlins/smile.gif

if you have a list already-- why not post it? you'd probably get more feedback that way.

otherwise, my offer is genuine... i'm not sure why charging someone for something that I've put time into makes me "such a dick" though... especially for doing something that is entirely uninteresting... if I was still in engineering, would I be a dick for charging consulting fees?

sorry if that makes me a dick...

12-03-2005, 08:29 AM

sorry bad_egg, i wasn't talking to you... i don't think you're a dick... =)

tigerite

12-03-2005, 08:35 AM

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it was a few days ago...level 4

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It might've been a misclick, esp if using MTH/AutoHotkey. I've pushed on a couple of tables in my time meaning to push on a different one, often with hilarious /images/graemlins/frown.gif results.

Bonafone

12-03-2005, 10:26 AM

No, i think he's confused. I have played a total of about 30 $55's in the past month and all of them were over a week ago so maybe it wasn't me. I can assure you I did not push 12bbs utg with A3 off. if he told me his screen name i could find the game/hand he is talking about.

Degen

12-03-2005, 01:01 PM

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No, i think he's confused. I have played a total of about 30 $55's in the past month and all of them were over a week ago so maybe it wasn't me. I can assure you I did not push 12bbs utg with A3 off. if he told me his screen name i could find the game/hand he is talking about.

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hey bona...relax and go count hundred dollar bills

axeshigh

12-03-2005, 04:03 PM

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I'll sell you a list for $20 per name. Just tell me how many you want /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Hey, maybe I can sell your name for 20$ /images/graemlins/grin.gif

bigt439

12-03-2005, 05:09 PM

microbet

12-03-2005, 05:29 PM

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No, i think he's confused. I have played a total of about 30 $55's in the past month and all of them were over a week ago so maybe it wasn't me. I can assure you I did not push 12bbs utg with A3 off. if he told me his screen name i could find the game/hand he is talking about.

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Bonafone is quite solid. I don't enjoy playing against him. But I'm sure you miss some pushes because I've seen you fold a number of clear push any 2 spots.

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He's pretty observant I think because after a couple spite calls I don't think he makes all the "any two" pushes into me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

12-03-2005, 06:48 PM

bona, if you are "shipitholla"...it was definitely you...i asked if you were raptor during the game...and you said you were his friend...remember?

bones

12-03-2005, 06:52 PM

I don't understand why this is so difficult. He asked you to either provide a HH or a name so he could look it up himself. You keep saying "No, it was you. You play bad" or words that effect.

Either produce a HH or say "Sorry, I was wrong to make baseless claims."