Screwplay

[krishanleong]

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Villian is 46/21/1.6/40 over 2466 hands. Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved? Thanks,


Krishan

[NLSoldier]

screwplays from 10/20 playres are always calldowns imo.

[Surfbullet]

calldown. Sometimes it's 33/77, sometimes it's KT, sometimes it's complete crap. You can't be confident enough to fold decent TP.

I'll sometimes check through the turn and either call or raise the river depending on the card...for metagame and b/c it generates excess action from hands that may have been giving up the turn. This is a "mix it up" type play, though.

Surf

[NLSoldier]

lmao as i typed that i got screwplayed by one. i 3bet and he folded /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved?

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Calling and then folding UI would make absolutely no sense.

[krishanleong]

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Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved?

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Calling and then folding UI would make absolutely no sense.

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Waht if I put him on a flopped or turned 2 pair?

Krishan

You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

[sthief09]

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You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

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even if he occasionally gives up on a bluff or gets weak with a worse A, it makes drawing profitable. that said, this is an easy calldown

[mmcd]

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You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

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On an AK73 board, A9 has 8 outs against K3 and K7, 6 outs to win and 3 outs to split against A3, and 6 outs to win against A7.

[imported_azalin]

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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Villian is 46/21/1.6/40 over 2466 hands. Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved? Thanks,


Krishan

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In those situations i usually see his c/r turn stat and decide accordingly. To tell the truth i think that very seldom its complete crap on AK73 board against a preflop raiser. If his turn c/r stat is usual then i fold the river UI more often than not. For what its worth i raise the flop (even without an A) cause of metagame purposes - meaning that when i am the preflop raiser i dont want u to donk to me often.

[luckyharr]

He doesn't think you have an Ace because you didn't raise the flop. Call down.

[TStoneMBD]

i dont fold

[philnewall]

I prefer to wait for the turn to raise donk bets. If you raise the flop donk then you often get donked again on the turn and where are you there? Raising the turn bet gives you a lot more information imo, and gives them bad odds when they are semi-bluffing.