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spliff
12-01-2005, 12:27 AM
Hi,

i am usually playing 50NL-100NL Full game, now i wanna learn 6. max.

Now about protecting blinds with lesser hands, and not to much more aggr. preflop unless stealing blinds (first in).

I am cencerned about post-flop play, since i realized how much more fast paced the 6. max. is compared to full games.

This is the 2 (only) hands i won (exc. blinds), did'nt loose any big ones.

This games rocks, i was shaking in my pants, even though it was only 25NL!!

And i actually paid attenion too the other players, which i never seem to be able to, playing full games.

Any comments on how i played these 2 "crusial" hands in my first 15 mins of 6. max.

No. 1
Protecting BB, with a midiocre hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Button ($42.10)
SB ($19.05)
Hero ($24.15)
UTG ($8.54)
MP ($19.53)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.10) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button folds.

Final Pot: $16.10

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins $16.10. </font>




No. 2
Trying to steal blinds with semi god hand, even though UTG.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB ($36.80)
BB ($25.19)
Hero ($32.60)
MP ($24.75)
CO ($35.47)
Button ($19.68)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $5.35

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins $5.35. </font>


Thanks
wdeadwyler
12-01-2005, 12:47 AM
Hand 1: What happened on the turn, calling his minraise is usually a bad idea.

Hand 2: Nothing wrong with raising k10s utg.
kongo_totte
12-01-2005, 12:52 AM
Hand 1

Don't play J 8o OOP to a raise. Don't call the flop raise.

Hand 2

It's a pretty aggro PF-raise, and I would certainly muck that PF more often than not, but raising it once in a while in EP is fine I guess. Flop bet is standard.
elus2
12-01-2005, 12:52 AM
don't call preflop with J8o since it's a bad hand and you're out of position.
spliff
12-01-2005, 01:51 AM
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Hand 1: What happened on the turn, calling his minraise is usually a bad idea.

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On the turn I made a all-in (pot-size) bet for about 15$, he folded. I was unsure if that was right.

See your point about not calling the miniraise on the flop. Felt a fold would be wrong, and i did'nt feel like an all-in re-raise. I made a all-in bet when the turn came out with only a small overcard "10".

Guess i should have made that all-in re-raise (or folded) on the flop after all, since i had no interest in seing the turn.
spliff
12-01-2005, 01:57 AM
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Hand 1

Don't play J 8o OOP to a raise. Don't call the flop raise.

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don't call preflop with J8o since it's a bad hand and you're out of position.

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Before my debut in 6. max. i read a short article about having to protect your BB's with midiocre hands like Q8o, and 3-betting frequent raisers with similar midiocre hands hands like A7 in BB's in shorthanded games, as being massively important.
Hoopster81
12-01-2005, 02:00 AM
hmmm... in no limit?
12-01-2005, 02:02 AM
1
I would definetly fold this preflop OOP to a 4xBB raise.

2
I would usually fold this UTG but a raise is ok, postflop is good, nh.
spliff
12-01-2005, 02:06 AM
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hmmm... in no limit?

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I would definetly fold this preflop OOP to a 4xBB raise.


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My fault, big mistake - the article was about high stakes FL, 6. max. - gotta be pretty different from low stakes NL 6. max. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Even though the principle makes sence - to protect BB a lot more in 6. max. Any pointers too what hands to protect with; call and re-raise.
stu-unger
12-01-2005, 02:11 AM
i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, &amp; UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...
spliff
12-01-2005, 02:15 AM
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i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, &amp; UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...

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That's why i thought you should protect the BB's to a frequent raiser/stealer.

When sitting BB, would calling (or re-raising) a 3-4 BB preflop raise with say ATo/AJo (any pair) be wrong, guess it would be in a full game.
stu-unger
12-01-2005, 02:21 AM
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i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, &amp; UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...

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That's why i thought you should protect the BB's to a frequent raiser/stealer.

When sitting BB, would calling (or re-raising) a 3-4 BB preflop raise with say ATo/AJo (any pair) be wrong, guess it would be in a full game.

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as everything does in poker, it all depends. as a standard i keep my BB calling range to all pairs, and AQs+. i widen my range against most players, but when i first sit this is what i stick to...
12-01-2005, 02:57 AM
I did very well at NL $25 6-max without getting too tricky. There's a lot of LAGs and a lot of calling stations; take advantage of them. If someone raising 20% of hands wants your blinds and you're looking down at KTo, so what, let it go. You'll get it back with interest because these guys play like idiots against your big hands. I also played full ring (though not as high as you) before switching to 6-max, and you just have to get a feel for it. One thing I sure loved was donks calling 8xBB raises into my AA/KK/whatever...they're clueless.

I'll call any pair preflop for 4xBB (unless it's against a very solid player who likely won't lose much to a set) since your implied odds are huge. ATo and AJo are pretty marginal though. Playing back against steals is probably something you have to do better to win at higher buyin levels (I'm at NL 50 right now and still not finding it necessary) but NL 25 probably wouldn't be the greatest practice for that given that you're not up against a lot of creative players.
ludo72
12-01-2005, 04:07 AM
I don't think you should be too concerned about protecting your blinds in SSNL. The bottom line is that playing hands, especially mediocore hands (J8o is not even that), sucks when you're OOP. If you keep doing that you will lose a lot of money.

If you really want to play back at a button raiser I would suggest calling with a hand like 56s or QT, which can atleast flop something nice from time to time. If the flop texture looks safe you can either lead for a pot-sized bet into the pre-flop raiser or check-raise him with air. If he's the type of player who will float along or raise you with air then I suggest just waiting for a hand and he will pay you off.