Smokeless Tobacco, Chewing Tobacco

[tonypaladino]

Background: (Skip to the next paragraph for the tobacco question) I am going to be doing a lot of studying tonight and I cannot smoke in my room. Normally I have some Nicorette to get me thrugh it because it is a pain in the ass to step outside all the time. I am out of nicorette and there is no where close to here to buy some.


I picked up a can of Skoal, long cut. I've been using it by putting a glob between my gum and lip sucking at it. Do people actually chew skoal, or is there a different type of tobacco for chewing? I beleive skoal is considered "moist snuff" and not "chewing tobacco", but I might be wrong. Does anyone use smokeless tobacco, and what kind/which way do you use it?

TONY

[SackUp]

Be a man.

Chew it, suck it, swallow it.

Tony,

There's a big difference between Skoal/Cope and real chewing tobacco. Chewing tobacco is like Redman, and comes in big pouches. You throw a huge handful of that crap in and gnaw on it. It doesn't burn like skoal/cope has a tendency to do.

Long cut/mid cut/snuff is, as far as I'm aware, actually cut with pieces of fiberglass in it. You don't even need to bother sucking on it, the nicotine absorbs through your gum/lip and voila, a nicotine buzz. You're not swallowing the spit, right? I assume you've got yourself a bottle, and you're spittin into that, or somesuch. The only time you should really need to manipulate the dip is when you move it around a bit to get the moister stuff from the inside... other than that, throw it in and leave it be.

When I smoked, I dipped when I couldnt smoke, and found the buzz to be a bit much at times. I dipped skoal straight long cut. Couldnt stand snuff, or any of the mid cuts. Bleh. I've since quit.

The only worry about dip is that its remarkably addictive. Moreso than cigarettes. People I've know that had smoked, and then taken up dipping, cautioned against starting, because its harder to quit than smoking is. And, as we've covered in OOT before, smoking is supposedly harder to quit than heroin... or somethin. Tangentially, I found it easier to quit smoking than to quit doing coke. Whatever.

yasher

[CheckRaise]

You shouldn't be chewing Skoal. Like you said it is moist snuff so just throw it inbetween your lip and gum and spit when necessary. It you want actually chew pick up some Red-man or Beechnut, take a big wad, stick in you mouth and chew on it. Almost everyone I know has gotten sick off their first few chews or at least gotten dizzy. Since you're a smoker you might be fine. BTW I would recommend Grizzly Straight or Wintergreen for good, cheap chew.

Looks like Yasher beat me to it

[dblgutshot]

Just smoke in your room. Use paper towel roll stuffed with bounce sheets. Old school but it really works.

[xadrez]

A very good crimson challenge actually, would be to eat a tin of skoal or copenhagen and keep it down for 30 minutes.

[tonypaladino]

Yasher,

Thanks for all the info. It was impossible to get anything on Google as every search brought up 12,000 anti-tobacco sites.

I can't beleive what a nicotine rush it is. I can see how it would be easy to get addicted to this, and I won't allow myself to dip more than a day consecutively.

I'm not sure if I buy the theory that there is fiberglass in it. that seems a lot like the claim that cigarettes are made with embalming fluid.

thanks
TONY

Edit: Thanks to you as well, checkraise

[CheckRaise]

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A very good crimson challenge actually, would be to eat a tin of skoal or copenhagen and keep it down for 30 minutes.

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I don't think anyone in their right mind would try that. I suppose some old guys who have been chewing for 50 years might be able to do it but there is no way anyone else does. My buddies dad made him do this when we were kids and he threw up before he could finish half the tin, also made him feel like total [censored] for the rest of the day.

Please elaborate. Never heard of this one before.

xadrez,

I had buddies in the service that would go through a tin of cope snuff in 4 dips, and never spit. I don't think that even they could have pulled off that crimson challenge. If someone could get through the whole can, I'd be impressed, puking or not. But there'd have to be some rider about having to chew each bite.

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p***rchip,

paper towel/toilet paper roll, packed with dryer sheets. you inhale whatever you're smoking, and blow it out through the contraption. supposedly the scent is that of the dryer sheets. when i was in high school, i knew people that did this. they called em "blowies," go figure. i never used one, so i dont know if they work.

yasher

[lapoker17]

I used to dip a lot of Copenhagen - when I was in high school.

I now dip occassionally. Right now, I happen to be enjoying some Skoal straight - the best blend IMO.

It is a very hard habit to kick once you start doing it daily - even if you smoke as well.

[craig r]

Did you smoke out your window when you were a kid? If so, why not relive those memories?

craig

[xadrez]

Way back in about 7th or 8th grade, we paid a friend $20 to eat a tin of skoal. He ate the whole thing and was violently ill for hours afterwards.

[tonypaladino]

Huh, I just tried some of the Cherry Skoal long cut that my sister's boyfriend left here. Not too bad. It smells like candy.

Gutshot,

I can't smoke in here. My room and my sister's room are connected and she throws a hissy-fit at the slightest smell of smoke. Wind always blows hard agaist my wall of the house, so when I open my windows the smoke just gets blown in.

[CheckRaise]

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Yasher,

Thanks for all the info. It was impossible to get anything on Google as every search brought up 12,000 anti-tobacco sites.

I can't beleive what a nicotine rush it is. I can see how it would be easy to get addicted to this, and I won't allow myself to dip more than a day consecutively.

I'm not sure if I buy the theory that there is fiberglass in it. that seems a lot like the claim that cigarettes are made with embalming fluid.

thanks
TONY

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There is fiber glass in there thats why a new chewers lip burns when they have the dip in. Cuts up your mouth and allows the nicotine in. It is quite a buzz for a while but if you ever become a regular chewer it goes away. I can't get a buzz off it anymore.

[lapoker17]

I could eat a tin and not puke easily. I won't do it, but it wouldn't be hard.

Tony,

I'm finding the same issue you had with the anti-tobacco sites. I'm trying to find some relatively unbiased information re: fiberglass, and I can't find a good answer either way. The info I had on fiberglass didn't come from anti-dipping people, it cames directly from the people I knew that dipped. They attributed the greater burn in kodiak/grizzly to a higher fiberglass content, and the couple "review" sites I've seen on the intarweb seem to confirm this.

That does now, however, make it true. I'm not quite sure either way.

Glad to be of service,
yasher

[billymonk]

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I now dip occassionally. Right now, I happen to be enjoying some Skoal straight - the best blend IMO.



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It's not even close. The stuff is heaven.

[billymonk]

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Huh, I just tried some of the Cherry Skoal long cut that my sister's boyfriend left here. Not too bad. It smells like candy.


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When I first began dipping it was with cherry which I liked best. It makes me sick now, far to fruity.

If you want a beginners flavour, I highly recommend Peach. I'm in Canada so we don't have it yet, but my GF brought me pack a tin from Seattle and I couldn't get enough of it.

[mmcd]

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I now dip occassionally. Right now, I happen to be enjoying some Skoal straight - the best blend IMO.



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It's not even close. The stuff is heaven.

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I used to LOVE Skoal Straight when I first started dipping back in high school, but now I generally rotate between Straight, Mint, and Wintergreen, occasionally throwing in some Peach to change things up. The first 3 I mentioned are pretty equal IMO. I can't stand Cherry or Spearmint, and Classic and Vanilla are meh. I wish they'd come out with Cinnamon dip(like the flavor packs they used to have a few years back).

[dblgutshot]

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Please elaborate. Never heard of this one before.

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http://www.columbia.edu/cu/thefed/v2/archives/16/16.2-nosmoking.html

Tony,
Trust me, there is fiberglass in it.

score

[Wired Jokers]

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I can't beleive what a nicotine rush it is. I can see how it would be easy to get addicted to this, and I won't allow myself to dip more than a day consecutively.

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Heh. Famous last words. I said the same thing freshman year in college. I started with one chew of Beechnut a day. Then it grew to two. Then during mid-terms and finals, it grew more. Eventually, I was a RedMan dude 3-4 times a day.

I finally broke the habit 2nd year of law school. One of the toughest things I ever did. But, bleeding from your cheeks will put a scare into you, big time. I still hope, 13 years later, that I don't get cancer.

I'm not much for preaching, and everyone makes their own decisions. But I implore you to stop right now before you head down this same path.

[JcTc]

Ugh, I have tried quitting a bunch of times, and after a day or two without it I go out and get another tin of the Grizz. It is extremely easy to get hooked on, and really tough to kick. My advice: Don't start, unless you want to be hooked on cigs AND chew.

[housenuts]

Chew is good stuff. I mostly chew skoal straight and skoal mint. vanilla is alright as well when i feel like more of a dessert.

As for actually chewing, you don't "chew" it. you put it in your bottom lip, or top if you're feeling noble, and spit when necessary.

If you want stuff you can kind of play with in your mouth and move around from cheek to cheek and actually chew then get some Redman, Beechnut, or Levi Garrett. In Canada here we only have Redman. I get it once in a while but it's much more expensive.

[billymonk]

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In Canada here we only have Redman. I get it once in a while but it's much more expensive.

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Seriously. Last time I bought it I bought two pouches. It cost me over $26. Disgusting.

[HtotheNootch]

If you don't dip Copenhagen you aren't addicted....

[CheckRaise]

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If you don't dip Copenhagen you aren't addicted....

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What a ridiculous statement.

[craig r]

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If you don't dip Copenhagen you aren't addicted....

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What a ridiculous statement.

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Why is that ridiculous? If you don't mainline cocaine you won't get addicted.

craig

[CheckRaise]

Do honestly believe that Copenhagen is the only chew that is addicting? Every brand has a little thing called nicotine in it which in case you didn't know is addicting.

[mmcd]

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If you don't dip Copenhagen you aren't addicted....

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I've dipped Cope more than a few times and it's certainly no more addictive than Skoal. I like the flavor, but that finecut [censored] always manages to end up all over my mouth instead of in my lip where it belongs.

[Superfluous Man]

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I could eat a tin and not puke easily. I won't do it, but it wouldn't be hard.

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I don't usually go for prop bets, but I am more than willing to wager $100 against you being able to eat a tin of cope without puking within an hour of completion.

Edit for full disclosure: I am a huge pussy when it comes to dip. My roommate last year was (and likely still is) addicted to dip. So I'd occasionally throw a rather miniscule dip when I was drunk. Being drunk, I'd swallow some spit without thinking (it only took a little), and I'd be in puke city in a few minutes.

I guess I'd sometimes throw one without being drunk, and I was able not to puke. It's a great nicotine buzz; like smoking 3 cigarettes at once. But I've never found nicotine pleasurable enough to get addicted to it.

[mmcd]

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I don't usually go for prop bets , but I am more than willing to wager $100 against you being able to eat a tin of cope without puking within an hour of completion.


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Thats a good thing because you'd probably have a lot less money if you did. If a guy says he can do something and is willing to bet money on it, it's really stupid to bet against him, no matter how improbable his claim. If you're willing to bet a much more substantial amount, I'll eat a tin without puking. Just give me a couple of weeks to prepare.

[tonypaladino]

"If a guy says he can do something and is willing to bet money on it, it's really stupid to bet against him, no matter how improbable his claim. "

Eh, some people just like to run their mouth.

Today in my science lab I was looking at a jar of preserved giant roaches with 2 guys in the class. One of them goes "Hey, I'll pay you a dollar to eat one". The other said "I'd definitaly do it for like a hundred bucks". So I pulled $100 out of my pocket and put it on the roach jar and said "go ahead". He muttered somthing about not knowing what it was soaking in and wandered off

[housenuts]

nice! i love how you called his bluff like that.

i'd actually say more often than not when people make claims and someone is willing to pay them, they don't go through with it.

however, it also works the other way too with some people. ie. someone will say 'i'll pay you $100 to each that roach' and the other guy will say 'ok sure' and go to eat it and the guy who made the offer will take it back

i don't know which pisses me off more. i think i'm leaning towards the people that offer money and then reneg

[dblgutshot]

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Today in my science lab I was looking at a jar of preserved giant roaches with 2 guys in the class. One of them goes "Hey, I'll pay you a dollar to eat one". The other said "I'd definitaly do it for like a hundred bucks". So I pulled $100 out of my pocket and put it on the roach jar and said "go ahead". He muttered somthing about not knowing what it was soaking in and wandered off

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These are moments that make life enjoyable.

[lapoker17]

Yeah - I'm really not too interested in eating crazy [censored] for money, but ive dipped on and off for a long long time, and have swallowed enough to know it wouldn't be that big a deal. That said, it would not be terribly enjoyable and therefore the dollar figure would need to be significant.

[tonypaladino]

House, DGS,

Yeah,
It really did make my whole day better when he walked off.

[mmcd]

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"If a guy says he can do something and is willing to bet money on it, it's really stupid to bet against him, no matter how improbable his claim. "

Eh, some people just like to run their mouth.

Today in my science lab I was looking at a jar of preserved giant roaches with 2 guys in the class. One of them goes "Hey, I'll pay you a dollar to eat one". The other said "I'd definitaly do it for like a hundred bucks". So I pulled $100 out of my pocket and put it on the roach jar and said "go ahead". He muttered somthing about not knowing what it was soaking in and wandered off

[/ QUOTE ]I'm talking about bets, not offers to do something for X amount of cash. If he says he'll do something for 100 bucks and then doesn't he loses nothing. If he bets you 100 bucks, he either does it or loses the money. HUGE difference.

If offered you an even money bet for $5000 that I can hit a golfball a mile, would you take me up on it?

[tonypaladino]

I know nothing about golf, so I have no idea how difficult it is to hit a golfball a mile.

If you told me you could throw a pass in football 200 yards I'd take the bet.

[ChipWrecked]

What is the difference between 'Skoal straight' and Copenhagen?

[housenuts]

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If offered you an even money bet for $5000 that I can hit a golfball a mile, would you take me up on it?

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this sounds like some sort of scheme. i got to thinking, and realized you'd probably hit it on some very long, very wide paved surface that way it would bounce for ever.

for those who don't know golf, hitting a golf ball 1/4 of a mile would be a mammoth shot

[mmcd]

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I know nothing about golf, so I have no idea how difficult it is to hit a golfball a mile.



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It's probably about as difficult as being able throw a football 200 yards (if not moreso).


The golfball bet is old prop-betting story. A guy was once foolish enough to take someone up on the golfball bet, so the guy went out to a frozen lake and hit the ball well over a mile.

[housenuts]

Then, there’s Amarillo Slim’s classic bet. He bet several gentleman $38,000 (a ton of money at the time) that he could hit a golf ball at least one mile. By the way, Slim’s book, Amarillo Slim in a World Full of Fat People, is really excellent! The ground rules were set: The ball had to go one mile, and not downhill; he couldn’t hit it off a mountain; he couldn’t hit it out of an airplane; he couldn’t hit it into a moving boxcar; in fact, there were three pages of legal paper filled with conditions. So, Slim went out to a frozen lake in the dead of winter, and teed it up downwind! Two of the chagrined gentleman followed the bright-orange golf ball on snowmobiles for about a mile and a half. But this ball, under these conditions, was like the energizer bunny — still going, and going, and going!

from: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=13374&m_id=68

[ChipWrecked]

I'm pretty sure Sailor Roberts pioneered this bet.

And remember the 'ear full of cider' rule of prop bets.

TY

[weevil]

I like cope black, it's the bourbon soaked long-cut.

But seriously, avoid this habit if you're at all disposed to it. I've been dipping for two years, and have absolutely no gums left. I've also been a frequent smoker for the last three years. I can go weeks without smoking after averaging a pack a day for a few months, but I can't go twelve hours without a dip. Most people will tell you smoking is addictive not because of the chemical aspect - most smokers smoke too much to even notice the buzz - it's a comfort thing. I guess it depends on the person, but I enjoy the feel of a dip in my lips far more than I enjoy holding onto a stinking stick (which I still love).

Friendly word of caution.

EDIT: dipping IS awesome when you're playing live poker.. smoke breaks are too costly, and few people know what the hell you're doing. Although I did get spotted by a floor person at the Wynn in Vegas, he never actually forced me to stop.

[slickpoppa]

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I could eat a tin and not puke easily. I won't do it, but it wouldn't be hard.

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Tobacco can kill you if you eat it:

http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine7.htm