Reraising someone who raises too much

[iceman5]

$1/$2 NL. This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so. He almost always raises to $8. Every blue moon he raises to $6. The one $6 raise hes showdown, he had A6.

He raises to $6. Do you reraise with AJ? If so, do you make it $20? Or more than that? I assume you are potting most any flop if he calls?

One more question. Same villain (this guy is giving me problems) $2/$4 NL this time...still 6 max. Do you think his play is good here?

UTG raises to $16. Villain calls with T9s. BB reraises to $52. UTG calls. Villain calls. (all have $400) This seems pretty questionable to me.

Pot $156. Flop 873. BB bets $100. UTG folds. Villain calls. Is this a good call? Implied odds are shrinking with this much of the stacks in already.

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$1/$2 NL. This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so. He almost always raises to $8. Every blue moon he raises to $6. The one $6 raise hes showdown, he had A6.

He raises to $6. Do you reraise with AJ? If so, do you make it $20? Or more than that? I assume you are potting most any flop if he calls?

One more question. Same villain (this guy is giving me problems) $2/$4 NL this time...still 6 max. Do you think his play is good here?

UTG raises to $16. Villain calls with T9s. BB reraises to $52. UTG calls. Villain calls. (all have $400) This seems pretty questionable to me.

Pot $156. Flop 873. BB bets $100. UTG folds. Villain calls. Is this a good call? Implied odds are shrinking with this much of the stacks in already.

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I think for first case, reraise to ~18-20 and then depending on flop, bet 75-100% of pot and then gauge his reaction.

The second play looks terrible, on flop, BB has put in 100 and now only has 250 left for the turn and river and villian is getting 2.5:1 on his call... I dunno, seems loose and will need to hit straight to win (since BB is representing aces/kings).

Also, what is villian like post-flop? Still crazy?

[iceman5]

He plays pretty well overall and is a winner from what Ive seen. I like to analyze what certain winning players do when I think they made a mistake to see if they actually are correct and Im not.

AJo is a pretty weak holding and against a solid winning player, I doubt that I could play it well enough OOP, especially when I miss flop and even sometimes if I do. I doubt the 3xBB raise PF means much, he might just be mixing play.

[iceman5]

I was in position with the AJ. It just seems to me that if hes raising 16%, hes raising things like weak aces, suited gappers, any pair and probably things like QJ. He may call the reraise with most of those hands (especially since I know he'll call a big reraise with T9s) and he'll misss the flop most times. When he misses, I win. When we both miss, I win.

I could be wrong though. I havent had a lot of success reraising without premium hands.

[savman]

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I was in position with the AJ. It just seems to me that if hes raising 16%, hes raising things like weak aces, suited gappers, any pair and probably things like QJ. He may call the reraise with most of those hands (especially since I know he'll call a big reraise with T9s) and he'll misss the flop most times. When he misses, I win. When we both miss, I win.

I could be wrong though. I havent had a lot of success reraising without premium hands.

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i rr 99+ AJ+ against this guy. if he is a solid winning player, a fact which is questionable considering his play with 109s, then you are accomplishing two things with your reraise. one you have already stated. two, since we know he is playing sc's low pp's AND he is supposedly solid, we are not getting action with those hands unless we are behind. soah had a great post on who he reraises JJ against. this guy seems to fit the bill. basically we want to get value from our hand pf, b/c we are not getting much action from 56s postflop unless we are behind.

i puked reading his play with 109s. if anything he should be pushing the flop, then he has two chances to win. all in all i dont like his play with 109s unless he knows the reraiser. if reraiser is tight/weak tight i would call multiway expecting to win the pot w/o the best hand some of the time. apparently he is trying to make the best hand, he should lose money with that pf call only winning when he makes the best hand.

[iceman5]

I was the reraiser in the T9s hand. I had KK.
Flop was 873 and I bet $100. He called. Turn was a J and I pushed. Obviously he called.

Im 90% sure my play was good and his bad (but not horrible), but like I said, I like to review the play of what I think are solid players to see if they know something I dont.

[savman]

if he is planning folding the turn unimproved it is atrocious. if he is planning on calling any turn it is still atrocious b/c he should push so sometimes people will fold. all in all he simply put to much money in pf. he will bleed chips with this play. he would breakeven if he is calling with pp's unless u reraise with a wider range than AA KK QQ, at which point he again is bleeding money the times he does hit his set and u have air and will not continue after the flop. make a note, this is a very exploitable tendancy. obviously this guy thinks u win money are NL by making hands to stack people off. in sum u should widen ur reraising range against him since he is willing to pay so dearly to see the flop with those cards.

[Isura]

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This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so.

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I generally raise about 25% of my hands.

[savman]

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This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so.

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I generally raise about 25% of my hands.

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i hope u are kidding

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I was the reraiser in the T9s hand. I had KK.
Flop was 873 and I bet $100. He called. Turn was a J and I pushed. Obviously he called.

Im 90% sure my play was good and his bad (but not horrible), but like I said, I like to review the play of what I think are solid players to see if they know something I dont.

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I think his PF play is too loose for my standards and I think you need to bet more on the flop, especially in face of his loose play. Maybe 1 or 1.15 pot? Given the stacks here, he doesn't have odds anyway.

[Isura]

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This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so.

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I generally raise about 25% of my hands.

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i hope u are kidding

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Varies according to the table, but this is typical for me at a loose-passive table where all the players sucks (ie most tables). But if watch me play, it will seem like I am a tight player that rarely gets out of line.

[thatpfunk]

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This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so.

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I generally raise about 25% of my hands.

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i hope u are kidding

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Varies according to the table, but this is typical for me at a loose-passive table where all the players sucks (ie most tables). But if watch me play, it will seem like I am a tight player that rarely gets out of line.

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is your overall pfr 25% or not? i would be surprised that you could win long term with that (this is regarding the party games, i have no idea if you could be running over some random weak-tight game on a tiny site or something).

[soah]

You don't give enough information on hand one. If you can get it heads up with him by just calling, then that is by far the superior play. Since we believe he has a trash hand, we can steal the pot from him on nearly any board. We can win a decent amount from him if an ace hits and he is outkicked, if he flops bottom pair he has to give it up, if he flops nothing he has to give it up. Reraising preflop only wins us $9.

His play in the second hand is marginal but not terrible. You should have reraised more preflop. You're giving away your hand, but drawing hands are still marginally priced in. Your play isn't -EV, but it's not +EV either. Just a lot of variance (ignoring the times you're up against AA or QQ or something.)

[yvesaint]

my pfr ranges from 15-25...6-max

[thatpfunk]

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my pfr ranges from 15-25...6-max

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ok, it ranges, but what is your long term pfr?

A pfr of 16% isn't necessarily too high. Does he have a pfr of 16% from all positions? In that case it's probably too high, reraise him w/AJ. Is he tighter in early position, but raises suited connectors, QJ-like stuff, occasional trash, etc, from late position, depending on which players are in blinds or have limped? Then it's not too high IMO. In that case, be much more careful about reraising with AJ when he's raised from EP (though account for what he thinks your image is).

[yvesaint]

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[thatpfunk]

do you do lots of bs min and small raises or these mostly PSRs?

[Malachii]

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You don't give enough information on hand one. If you can get it heads up with him by just calling, then that is by far the superior play. Since we believe he has a trash hand, we can steal the pot from him on nearly any board. We can win a decent amount from him if an ace hits and he is outkicked, if he flops bottom pair he has to give it up, if he flops nothing he has to give it up. Reraising preflop only wins us $9.

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This is interesting. My solution to this type of Villain is to reraise with a much larger range of hands in position, reasoning that the reraise in of itself will have enough folding equity for me to be freerolling if we have to take a flop. While I would be more inclined to reraise with something like 98s than AJ, I think I would typically reraise against this type of Villain in this spot. I'm not sure the expectation from simply calling surpasses the expectation of winning the $9 currently in the pot...

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$1/$2 NL. This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so. He almost always raises to $8. Every blue moon he raises to $6. The one $6 raise hes showdown, he had A6.

He raises to $6. Do you reraise with AJ? If so, do you make it $20? Or more than that? I assume you are potting most any flop if he calls?

One more question. Same villain (this guy is giving me problems) $2/$4 NL this time...still 6 max. Do you think his play is good here?

UTG raises to $16. Villain calls with T9s. BB reraises to $52. UTG calls. Villain calls. (all have $400) This seems pretty questionable to me.

Pot $156. Flop 873. BB bets $100. UTG folds. Villain calls. Is this a good call? Implied odds are shrinking with this much of the stacks in already.

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I would not go into a large pot with A J against this type of player, I think its kind of common the call a pot bet on flop and call another on turn just to steal-push on river, I dont like to play that kind of hand with A J. But Im a tight/weak tight type... I would wait for aces

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$1/$2 NL. This villain raises too much. Probably 16% or so.

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16% pfr is high but not insane. You don't say whether he's 50/16 or 35/16 or 20/16 - this makes a difference. Also how many hands have you seen - he may just be running hot. AJ is an easy fold here unless he's a genuine maniac IMO - it really isn't that great a hand and I think your later post about always winning when you both miss is optimistic. (Even though you have position.) There are better hands to take the guy down with.

[iceman5]

After playing the hand out, it turned out that he had T8s. Now that you know he raises to $6 with T8s UTG, would you reraise to $20 here with AJ or just call?

I did put him on a weak ace or a sutted gapper like T8s since he almost always raises to $8 and made it $6 this time. With T8s, I do believe that if he calls, I will win it on the flop most times.

Maybe the answer lies in how aften he will continue on the flop with just a pair?

[c_strong]

Yes, if I knew his hole cards I'd definitely reraise...

The $6 raise as against $8 is horrendous on his part if it's routine, so you did well taking advantage of it.

Your OP based the question purely on how often he raised - but some tight players raise a lot 6 max. Without a VP$IP figure it's hard to say how to play it.

[arod15]

If you plan to be a winning player you need to open up your hand range. No way you fold AJ here I take control and raise here. Like I said to beat a player like this you need to play aggressive and dictate the action both PF and post flop. You need to open your range agaisnt tough opponents, perhaps AJ isnt the best starting hand, but since when do you need the best hand to win?

[Ghazban]

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I like to analyze what certain winning players do when I think they made a mistake to see if they actually are correct and Im not.

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I have nothing to contribute but this quote is awesome. Everybody should do this but most people don't.

[soah]

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If you plan to be a winning player you need to open up your hand range. No way you fold AJ here I take control and raise here. Like I said to beat a player like this you need to play aggressive and dictate the action both PF and post flop. You need to open your range agaisnt tough opponents, perhaps AJ isnt the best starting hand, but since when do you need the best hand to win?

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I don't know what type of "player like this" you're talking about, but you beat bad LAGs by letting them bluff off all their chips when you've got a big hand. You (try to) beat good LAGs by randomly playing back at them, sometimes with big hands and sometimes with drawing hands (either preflop or postflop). AJo is neither a big hand nor a drawing hand, preflop nor postflop.

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You need to open your range agaisnt tough opponents

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This is just so horribly wrong. You make money in poker by seeking out pots against bad players and avoiding pots against good players.

[wdeadwyler]

Against the villain you are talking about I call and If I flop an ace I call him down. If I flop a jack I protect it.