Stars NL200: AK w/ K high board + flush draw w/ 2 all-in's. [Archive]

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PuertoKid

11-29-2005, 06:38 PM

My reads:

Button: aggressive player, probably willing to get all in with AK on an A or K high board. Fairly solid, but a bit of a gambler and possibly a little on tilt right now.

UTG: Haven't played with him before. Seems to be playing a solid game. No particular tendencies detected.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

CO ($209.75)
Button ($147.70)
SB ($198)
BB ($193.65)
UTG ($182)
MP1 ($49.25)
Hero ($104.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, Button calls $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.

Note: with a caller in front of me, I usually raise AK a bit more here. But I'm mixing up my play a little and raising less this time.

Flop: ($21) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14, Button raises to $141.7, UTG calls $141.70, Hero ???

I am probably perceived by button as a very aggressive, yet I usually show down pretty solid hands.

I think he could do this with a flush draw + a pair or JdTd, even AK. He may do this with a set too. I'm much less sure about UTG as I haven't played with him.

The main pot is is giving me 1.5:1 to make the call. I think it is likely that I am up against a flush draw for one of them and AK or set for the other. If it is AK, I am looking at a split pot if the flush doesn't hit. If it is a set, I need the runner runner. JdTd is certainly possible as it is a flush + dbl gutshot and it is ahead of me. But I have the redraw except for the 8d.

But given that I'm likely looking at a split pot in the most common best case, this is probably a fold.

Are there any other things I should be thinking about here?

scdavis0

11-29-2005, 06:41 PM

You have a quads draw too

trevor

11-29-2005, 06:50 PM

Insta-fold

I can't imagine calling in this spot. You have the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif which makes me think you are up against at least one very, very big draw.

PuertoKid

11-29-2005, 07:54 PM

Edit: I'm getting 2.74:1 odds, not 1.5:1 like I said in the original post.

yvesaint

11-29-2005, 07:57 PM

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You have a quads draw too

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seriously

runner runners count as draws now? 1/2 out at best man

-Skeme-

11-29-2005, 08:04 PM

First off, rebuy to $200 unless you can't afford it. Second, if you can't afford it, go to $100 NL. Third, raise more preflop. Make it $10. 4xBB preflop + 1BB for each limper.

Alright, now onto the real part of the hand. Fold. Sometimes just reading the action aloud helps when understanding the mess you are most likely in. "I just followed up my PFR with a near PSB, was check-raised all in by a fairly solid player, and an unknown player just cold-called a $140 reraise.. I have TPTK."

Fold is my move.

AllIn3High

11-29-2005, 08:12 PM

Fold teh flop. You folded and they showed crap and you would have won - that happens. Most of the time you lose money calling here.

the machine

11-29-2005, 08:23 PM

easy fold. you having the ace of diamond you now know that the solid player is not on a big draw and at best you are calling to chop which is the worst strategy IMO in holdem. i think you are beat here 90% of the time by at least one if not both players

-Skeme-

11-29-2005, 08:33 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

Button ($243.35)
SB ($77.50)
BB ($66)
UTG ($105.40)
Hero ($200)
MP1 ($259.60)
MP2 ($191.40)
MP3 ($232.60)
CO ($73.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, CO calls $8, 1 fold, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($32) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $26, CO calls $26, SB raises to $69.5, BB calls $58 (All-In), Hero folds, CO calls $39.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($250.65) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($250.65) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $250.65

Results in white below: 
SB has 9h Kh (two pair, kings and nines).
BB has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
CO has 6d Ah (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: SB wins $250.64. 
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Beating yourself up for folding the winner isn't neccessary when the action dictates a fold. It's like the old saying goes, "You aren't a great player unless you fold the best hand." I don't think that's how it actually goes, but you get the point, lol.

rachelwxm

11-30-2005, 11:44 AM

raise more pf

josie_wales

11-30-2005, 12:05 PM

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lol...good one

josie_wales

11-30-2005, 12:07 PM

Raise more preflop.

This is NOT a spot to mix up your play. Out of position, with a hand that will result in a TPTK hand out of position against a bunch of callers a a result of too small a raise.

This is not even CLOSE to a call here. Fold 100% of the time.

Against one opponent--- I still fold here absent a very good read.

Against a ~$200 bet and a caller?

Sifmole

11-30-2005, 12:14 PM

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raise more pf

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Completely f'in useless post.

-Skeme-

11-30-2005, 01:45 PM

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raise more pf

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Completely f'in useless post.

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11-30-2005, 02:30 PM

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raise more pf

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Completely f'in useless post.

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nh sir

etgryphon

11-30-2005, 02:49 PM

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Edit: I'm getting 2.74:1 odds, not 1.5:1 like I said in the original post.

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Well that changes everything...

I think then you have to slightly pause before you insta-muck...

-Gryph

Sifmole

11-30-2005, 05:02 PM

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raise more pf

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Completely f'in useless post.

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nh sir

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PuertoKid

11-30-2005, 05:23 PM

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Edit: I'm getting 2.74:1 odds, not 1.5:1 like I said in the original post.

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Well that changes everything...

I think then you have to slightly pause before you insta-muck...

-Gryph

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+1

Big_Jim

11-30-2005, 05:42 PM

How is saying "nh" ironic? I don't get it.

Sifmole

12-01-2005, 11:19 AM

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How is saying "nh" ironic? I don't get it.

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Follow the chain:
1) I made a useless post complaining about another poster's useless post.
2) 2nd poster makes a post including a huge image to point out the irony of my useless post commenting on the other guys useless post.
3) 3rd poster chimes in by quoting all 3 posts including huge image to add 2 characters "nh" indicating that he was so cool as to recognized the coolness of the 2nd poster's comment on the irony of my useless post commenting on the 1st useless post. The utter useless of that post just deserved to be noted as even MORE ironic as being useless.

See? Doesn't it all make sense now?

To make this even better I could have posted all 5 posts here and added another picture -- then we would really be rolling.

12-01-2005, 11:27 AM

why is this even something to ponder about... insta fold.

ps: raise more preflop.