Nominations for Best "Rock" Album of 2005

[IndieMatty]

It's almost that time...

I'll begin. As much as no album has ever affected me as much as Illinois. In fact, I doubt I will ever like an album more than that. I have to say that overall, the best album that came out in 05 is The National - Alligator.

Et tu?

[Quinn Warren]

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah

[Claunchy]

Well, I'll go ahead and say Illinois then, cause I can't think of anything better.

[CollinEstes]

Out of Exile - Audioslave

[4_2_it]

Not sure what qualifies as rock anymore but Beck's Guero has to be on the short list.

[RunDownHouse]

"Illinois?" The Sufjan Stevens album? Or is this another band with a retarded name that no one has heard of?

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Not sure what qualifies as rock anymore but Beck's Guero has to be on the short list.

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Obviously. I just wanted to keep "rap" out of this. I want this to be a total indie hipster lovefest.

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"Illinois?" The Sufjan Stevens album? Or is this another band with a retarded name that no one has heard of?

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The Sufjan album.

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Not sure what qualifies as rock anymore but Beck's Guero has to be on the short list.

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Obviously. I just wanted to keep "rap" out of this. I want this to be a total indie hipster lovefest.

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what about crossover rap albums like "Late Registration"?

audioslave - out of exile

its not close

[IndieMatty]

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Not sure what qualifies as rock anymore but Beck's Guero has to be on the short list.

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Obviously. I just wanted to keep "rap" out of this. I want this to be a total indie hipster lovefest.

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what about crossover rap albums like "Late Registration"?

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Kanye rules. Sure.

[IndieMatty]

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audioslave - out of exile

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Correct, Its not close if you haven't listend to the 50 or so better albums.

[Claunchy]

The Go! Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike should also be considered.

Edit: As should Franz Ferdinand - You Could Have It So Much Better.

[Soul Daddy]

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The National - Alligator.

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Only others in the running to me are:

CYHSY - s/t
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
Architecture in Helsinki - In Case We Die

Edit: add Wolf Parade - Apologies To The Queen Mary

[Philuva]

Bloc Party's Silent Alarm

Illinois was excellent. Also loved Blueberry Boat, though I can see why some people hate the Fiery Furnaces. Demon Days and the new Franz Ferdinand were great too.

Very disappointed by Repulsion Box, the first full-length from Sons & Daughters. Their EP was excellent, but the new album basically shows that they only have one song archetype. It's a good song, but I don't need 18 versions of it.

[theghost]

I liked this year's offerings from High on Fire (http://www.highonfire.net/frameset1.html) and Lightning Bolt (http://loadrecords.com/bands/bolt.html).

[Eurotrash]

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I want this to be a total indie hipster lovefest.

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like every other music thread in OOT? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Mason Hellmuth]

M83 - Before The Dawn Heals Us

[CallMeIshmael]

This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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Bloc Party's Silent Alarm

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holla. however, anyone who cares about what music people like (such as "you think audioslave is good? get a clue, idiot) can go ahead and die.

so OP, YSSCKY

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audioslave - out of exile

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Correct, Its not close if you haven't listend to the 50 or so better albums.

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This is difficult to do considering this year there arent any /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Eurotrash]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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I could agree with this, if CMI hadn't already had his music taste entirely discredited.

It's probably Illinois but I haven't listened to everything. Tell me more about this National album, people.

Oh, and LMFAO @ Audioslave being nominated. Nh /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CallMeIshmael]

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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Funeral was my second favourite album of 2004

[irishpint]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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i like arcade fire a lot, too. is that even 2005 tho?

[IndieMatty]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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You're banned from this thread, although I like you a great deal your attitude towards indie rock and music is horribly biased and sucky and reaks of the very thing you make fun of.

Still, /images/graemlins/heart.gif always.

[IndieMatty]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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I could agree with this, if CMI hadn't already had his music taste entirely discredited.

It's probably Illinois but I haven't listened to everything. Tell me more about this National album, people.

Oh, and LMFAO @ Audioslave being nominated. Nh /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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It's the best of their three albums, it's just great rock music. I'd give you the IndieMatty Guarantee and pay you for it if you don't like it. But I know you'd just download, say you don't like it and take my 15 bucks anwyay. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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Eurotrash WTF do you listen to? Last time I talked with you about music I found out you liked the SPIN DOCTORS? WTFLOL!

[Soul Daddy]

Though not in my top 5, I'm kind of a fanboy so I'll give it a mention.

Spoon - Gimme Fiction

[daryn]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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EP is very very good.

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no album has ever affected me as much as Illinois.

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I've heard a few songs from this album and while I don't dislike them, I don't quite get the appeal. However, I've only heard them on my computer so perhaps I'll just buy the CD and give it a listen on my real stereo.

[IndieMatty]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

[IndieMatty]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

[pryor15]

Sufjan, for sure, but i'll throw in a vote for My Morning Jacket's "Z"

also: Springsteen's new one, the new Son Volt, and the Dylan "No Direction Home" album is fantastic

[Eurotrash]

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has The Arcade Fire already fallen out of favor? too mainstream now?

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Funeral was my second favourite album of 2004

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I am so behind the times, cripes

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[IndieMatty]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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I agree to an extent. I hear about this stuff through friends, and opening acts for shows and what not. But...really with the internet the answer to this is "no".

[CallMeIshmael]

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Armageddon made $200 million. More than 62 million people voted for Bush.

Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.


But, if you dont want to put the effort in, thats up to you. But, I get a lot more out of music that tends not to get a lot of mainstream play.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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i don't know [censored] about art either, but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

your taste in music sucks! "LOL"!

[MEbenhoe]

Just a few off the top of my head

The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
Audioslave - Out of Exile
System of a Down - Mezmerize
The Go Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike

[CollinEstes]

Yeah I know the internet makes it pretty easy but you have to know at least one band in that genre that can lead you into all the other good music that is out there.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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I know of one person in real life who even knows half the bands on this list. The internet makes finding music easy in any region.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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i don't know [censored] about art either, but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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Who said all time? 2005 dude...

[Eurotrash]

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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hah, great post.

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Yeah I know the internet makes it pretty easy but you have to know at least one band in that genre that can lead you into all the other good music that is out there.

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This is very true. Once you get in though it's really easy. Most of us, can't keep up with all the new music.

[irishpint]

people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

[CallMeIshmael]

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but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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1. Beatles
2. Stones
3. Dylan
4. LZ
5. Pink Floyd


Do you know any of these acts? Becaues that is probably my list of top 5 all time.

You've probably heard of at lest the top 2.

[kbfc]

This year was pretty disappointing for new music, especially compared to last year. Anyway the best album of 2005 is:

Spoon - Gimme Fiction

Honorable mention to:

Doves - Some Cities, and
Giant Drag - Hearts and Unicorns.


Anyway, I often tend to classify albums in my mind not by when they came out, but by when I heard them. In that case the following albums are all ones that I got into this year, but were released earlier (all of these records are far better than anything listed above, or anything in this entire thread):

Autolux - Future Perfect
Blonde Redhead - Misery is a Butterfly
Stereolab - Dots and Loops

[CollinEstes]

No doubt it is kinda of like pandora's box with the internet once you find a band or small genre you like. But finding that one band in a genre like this is alot easier if people around them are listening to it.

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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Have you read this thread yet? No one has said anything like that. Though audioslave got a few giggles.

[MEbenhoe]

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Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.




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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

[CollinEstes]

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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Have you read this thread yet? No one has said anything like that. Though audioslave got a few giggles.

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People like me like Audioslave because it reminds us of the some of the good bands in the nineties that we grew up with. Nostaglia for me.

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Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.




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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Excellent question.

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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dude, if you just casually read rolling stone or spin or EW or any of the national mags like that you would have heard about all of them. sufjan was #1 on one of their charts in the back for what, 3 months? unless you live in siberia or something, you really have no excuse other than a good old fashioned unwillingness to make any effort other than turning on a corporate radio station.

[Eurotrash]

since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

[TheIrishThug]

System of a Down - Mezmerize
Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth

edit: if i'm gonna order them i'd put With Teeth first. Mezmerize is just on my mind cause i just got Hypnotize.

[MEbenhoe]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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dude, if you just casually read rolling stone or spin or EW or any of the national mags like that you would have heard about all of them. sufjan was #1 on one of their charts in the back for what, 3 months? unless you live in siberia or something, you really have no excuse other than a good old fashioned unwillingness to make any effort other than turning on a corporate radio station.

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I have heard of all of these, I personally just don't care for that most of them. I was just saying where you live plays a role. Nothing I listen too is played on the radio where I live.

And I will add this album since noone else has because I think it deserves a mention:

A bigger bang - Rolling Stones

[daryn]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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my point is proven.

remember guys, daryn is right! just think to yourself: do i disagree with daryn? if the answer is yes, you just might be an idiot! don't take immediate offense, which will be your first instinct. rather, take the time to realize your error, and use some common sense (and your brain). you will come around soon enough.

[Philuva]

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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I agree it is "stupid" to criticize someone's tastes as people can listen and like whatever the hell they want, but if someone has a limited range of music they listen too, I can't respect their preferences for best artist or album of the year.

Plus while music, like art, food, etc. is very subjective it doesn't mean you can't create a framework to judge its relative value overall, similar to art and food.

[MonkeeMan]

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but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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1. Beatles
2. Stones
3. Dylan
4. LZ
5. Pink Floyd


Do you know any of these acts? Becaues that is probably my list of top 5 all time.

You've probably heard of at lest the top 2.

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That is a damn good list. But no "top" rock list is complete without

http://www.nndb.com/people/192/000023123/cschuck.jpg

[Soul Daddy]

Well this thread went in the shitter pretty quickly. Where's the indie lovefest?????

[CallMeIshmael]

"It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

This is, in all art forms, subject to the judgement of time.

"Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

LOL

[IndieMatty]

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Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.




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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Yes, people who say art is opinion are [censored] morons. There are reasons "critics" exist. They know more about the apreciation of art than the average joe. It's just the way it is. People have a hard time realizing that their opinion may not be as valid as someone elses.

[Eurotrash]

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since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

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I'll offer this as exhibit A. Sufjan Steven's new album

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4843/sufjan16kc.jpg

[IndieMatty]

I guarantee anyone would like this album. Who cares that the names are eccentric. Oh, obviously someone who has no clue.

[pryor15]

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I have heard of all of these, I personally just don't care for that most of them. I was just saying where you live plays a role. Nothing I listen too is played on the radio where I live.

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most, if not all, of these aren't played on the radio anywhere (with the exception of college radio, which is hit-or-miss). radio is pretty terrible across the board these days in terms of new quality music.

in response to the mention about them not being widely popular, i thought the point was the best albums in terms of quality, popularity be damned.

[phage]

This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

[MEbenhoe]

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"It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

This is, in all art forms, subject to the judgement of time.

"Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

LOL

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is this your cute little indie way of slinking away from an argument you're obviously wrong in, but still trying to save face by acting as though what I say is laughable?

[Soul Daddy]

I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

[IndieMatty]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

[CallMeIshmael]

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No, its my way of saying that, for example, shakespeare went so unnoticed in his own lifetime that we know almost nothing about him.

Also, "Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

Really?

You think the film that is recognized as the best is also the most popular?

[Jerkass333]

There's so much Audioslave hatin' going on in here. Cornell rules. Out of Exile should definitely be a nominee, along with Metric-Live It Out, Broken Social Scene, The Mars Volta-Frances The Mute and NIN-With Teeth. My favorite album of the year though is The Secret Migration by Mercury Rev. Im not sure of it's rockness, but still.

[Eurotrash]

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I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

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I played right into his trap!

although I don't judge him solely on his song titles; I also judge him by his Scout uniform


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3383/sufjan24nn.jpg


what a unique look!

[IndieMatty]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?

[pryor15]

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You think the film that is recognized as the best is also the most popular?

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almost never. and it usually isn't even the best. the best picture winners are frequently only the 7th or 8th best film of the year. usually the best film of the year gets ignored until people start to discover it on dvd a year or two later.

[IndieMatty]

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I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

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I played right into his trap!

although I don't judge him solely on his song title;, I also judge him by his Scout uniform


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3383/sufjan24nn.jpg


what a unique look!

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You should see him in the cheerleader outfits. FWIW, ridiculously hot cheerleading chicks for background singers.

[CollinEstes]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

[/ QUOTE ]

you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?

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Yeah the second greatest movie of all time wasn't seen by anybody, I don't even remember what it was called. The God-something. Oh well.

[phage]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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All I am saying is that someone will make a list, others will say this is crap/I've never heard of them/[blank] is better. If this were a "my top ten etc" list then so be it but a best of the year just brings out people's need to one up one another.

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I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

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I played right into his trap!

although I don't judge him solely on his song titles; I also judge him by his Scout uniform


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3383/sufjan24nn.jpg


what a unique look!

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that's so 2 albums ago. you've foolishly included a picture of "Sufjan Stevens and the Michigan Militia" into a discussion of "Sufjan Stevens and the Illinoisemakers". not cool

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[IndieMatty]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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All I am saying is that someone will make a list, others will say this is crap/I've never heard of them/[blank] is better. If this were a "my top ten etc" list then so be it but a best of the year just brings out people's need to one up one another.

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You are entirely wrong dude. This is what you expect it to be. It is not the reality.

<font color="white"> (This is exactly where I wanted this thread to go by the way, you think i give a [censored] what you guys think about music? I am clearly the superior voice around here) </font>

[Soul Daddy]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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All I am saying is that someone will make a list, others will say this is crap/I've never heard of them/[blank] is better. If this were a "my top ten etc" list then so be it but a best of the year just brings out people's need to one up one another.

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But the only people that are doing any such thing are the anti-"hipsters" who haven't heard of most or any of this. And the anti-Audioslave contingent. We Sufjan fans are a peaceful bunch.

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

[/ QUOTE ]

you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?

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Yeah the second greatest movie of all time wasn't seen by anybody, I don't even remember what it was called. The God-something. Oh well.

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So once every 20 years, the popular and "best" line up? The Godfather is an exception to the rule. Come on...

[Soul Daddy]

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I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

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I played right into his trap!

although I don't judge him solely on his song titles; I also judge him by his Scout uniform


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3383/sufjan24nn.jpg


what a unique look!

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I smell an avatar bet...

[Eurotrash]

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[that's so 2 albums ago. you've foolishly included a picture of "Sufjan Stevens and the Michigan Militia" into a discussion of "Sufjan Stevens and the Illinoisemakers". not cool

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I seriously can't win with you people. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

Common-Be

[phage]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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All I am saying is that someone will make a list, others will say this is crap/I've never heard of them/[blank] is better. If this were a "my top ten etc" list then so be it but a best of the year just brings out people's need to one up one another.

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You are entirely wrong dude. This is what you expect it to be. It is not the reality.

<font color="white"> (This is exactly where I wanted this thread to go by the way, you think i give a [censored] what you guys think about music? I am clearly the superior voice around here) </font>

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A superior voice...but your choice still sucks...after all I've never heard of it! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CallMeIshmael]

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since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

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I'll offer this as exhibit A. Sufjan Steven's new album

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4843/sufjan16kc.jpg

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Brilliant, imo.

I lost it when I saw that.

[IndieMatty]

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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All I am saying is that someone will make a list, others will say this is crap/I've never heard of them/[blank] is better. If this were a "my top ten etc" list then so be it but a best of the year just brings out people's need to one up one another.

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You are entirely wrong dude. This is what you expect it to be. It is not the reality.

<font color="white"> (This is exactly where I wanted this thread to go by the way, you think i give a [censored] what you guys think about music? I am clearly the superior voice around here) </font>

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A superior voice...but your choice still sucks...after all I've never heard of it! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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If I ever get off my lazy ass, Ill post songs from my old hardcore band.

[MEbenhoe]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

[/ QUOTE ]

you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?

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well if we're using oscars to qualify the best movie, then i guess we can use grammy's to qualify the best music. Seeing how none of the albums you or CMI mentioned will even get nominated for album of the year this year, I guess you're both wrong.

[IndieMatty]

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?

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well if we're using oscars to qualify the best movie, then i guess we can use grammy's to qualify the best music. Seeing how none of the albums you or CMI mentioned will even get nominated for album of the year this year, I guess you're both wrong.

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Actually, Wilco's album which was heralded (by the hipsters) as the best album of 2003, won 2 awards. I guarantee Beck's Guero will be nominated this year. I can see Bloc Party being nominated for best new artist...etc.

[MEbenhoe]

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Actually, Wilco's album which was heralded (by the hipsters) as the best album of 2003, won 2 awards. I guarantee Beck's Guero will be nominated this year. I can see Bloc Party being nominated for best new artist...etc.

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Beck and Wilco are both popular. and cmon even Ace of Base won best new artist.

[SL__72]

I'm going to have to nominate Z by My Morning Jacket as no one has yet. Probably my favorite album of the year... but I haven't listened to Illinois at all yet. The National is a good one too.

Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

[IndieMatty]

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Actually, Wilco's album which was heralded (by the hipsters) as the best album of 2003, won 2 awards. I guarantee Beck's Guero will be nominated this year. I can see Bloc Party being nominated for best new artist...etc.

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Beck and Wilco are both popular. and cmon even Ace of Base won best new artist.

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Wilco is popular now. That album got dropped by Warner Bros. because they didn't think it would be marketable. Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

[IndieMatty]

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I'm going to have to nominate Z by My Morning Jacket as no one has yet. Probably my favorite album of the year... but I haven't listened to Illinois at all yet. The National is a good one too.

Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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I'll post some stuff tonight.

[RunDownHouse]

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[CallMeIshmael]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

[IndieMatty]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

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Err thats not what I meant. But yes, I agree with the shins statement.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

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Err thats not what I meant. But yes, I agree with the shins statement.

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, that went way over his head.

Just because of you Matt, I will check this clown out.

[pryor15]

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Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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"a sun came" isn't all that good, he was still trying to find his sound

link to "Casmir Pulaski Day" (http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001734_sufjan.php)

this song is just awesome.

[istewart]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

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If by "a lot more mainstream," you mean "every single person over the age of 16 already has heard of them," then I agree.

[IndieMatty]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

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Err thats not what I meant. But yes, I agree with the shins statement.

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, that went way over his head.

Just because of you Matt, I will check this clown out.

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You like pinback right? you'll like this.

[mmbt0ne]

Circa Survive - Juturna

I'm glad I'm the first person to say this. Now when all you are talking about it later I brag how much better I am than you fools.

[Georgia Avenue]

Grunching because this Thread is LONG, and contains too much indierock for my eyes.

Detroit Cobras: Baby
White Stripes: Get Behind Me Satan
Kills: No wow
Late Registration

and of course Thee M**T*ER*UC*N Iran-Contras (http://www.myspace.com/theeirancontras) new ablum,"That's We Rapping" which is for all intensive purposes...out.

[RunDownHouse]

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I heard someone say this once and thought that I simply misheard, until my friends convinced me otherwise. Quick, edit!

[samjjones]

This annoys me even more than "could of".

[IndieMatty]

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which is for all intensive purposes

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I heard someone say this once and thought that I simply misheard, until my friends convinced me otherwise. Quick, edit!

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You probably need to tell him its intents.

[SL__72]

What?? Hes only talking about the most intensive purposes, ya know? Like purposes that are super intense.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Why can't people, who obviously spend the time to learn and listen to a broader range of music find "new Wilcos and Becks" like The National and Sufjan.

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Its easier to let others do it for you.

It wouldnt shock me if the shins become a lot more mainstream after their next album.

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Err thats not what I meant. But yes, I agree with the shins statement.

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, that went way over his head.

Just because of you Matt, I will check this clown out.

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You like pinback right? you'll like this.

[/ QUOTE ]I will give it a try, but I will DL it.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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FWIW, I really didnt like his old stuff, and I really like Illinois.

[NLSoldier]

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audioslave - out of exile

its not close

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AMEN!

edit-i think it also qualifies as best album of the millenium thus far.

[SammyKid11]

Okay, here's the deal, guys.

I work in music. I'm an artist, a label owner, a record producer. And sure, I've heard of your Iron &amp; Wine's, your Sufjan's, and your National's of the world. However, when I listen to stuff like this, I'm generally reminded that the only way I would ever truly get "into" it was if I did the same amount of drugs that I did in college.

There is a REASON this stuff isn't popular, ya'll...and it has nothing to do with corporate radio conspiracies or closed-minded fans. It has to do with the fact that it simply isn't music that is DESIGNED to connect with large numbers of people. Now, I'm not saying none of it is good music. Some of it is.

And some of it is really low-budget, tinny-sounding, badly-produced, quirky-for-the-sake-of-quirky, our-drummer-couldn't-find-beat-one-bar-one-with-a-sawed-off-shotgun-at-twelve-paces, our-autotuner-is-ready-to-simply-decapitate-our-vocalist, oh-my-god-I'm-so-cool-because-no-one-gets-me horse crap that sounds like it was recorded inside my toilet bowl.

And if that's your thing, then cool. What I won't do is grant that you're cooler than me because I truly, honestly believe that Out of Exile is, hands-down, THE best rock album of the year. Let's forget for a second that most of the stuff you "hipsters" are talking about isn't even rock, based on anything but the very loosest definitions of the word. Let's simply focus on the wealth of great songwriting, powerful arrangements, superior vocal performances, exciting solos, and exquisite production values on that particular album. For people to laugh and joke about the fact that it was nominated just SCREAMS that whoever did knows NOTHING about music. If it's not your thing to like music BECAUSE alot of other people like it, fine (though that's more closed-minded than what you accuse popular-music fans of being). But to have a problem with an album of that magnitude being nominated for best ROCK album of 2005 truly shows your ass.

As for me, in terms of a new artist who I like immensely, I'll go with Augustana's "Stars and Boulevards." That album has a lot of depth, changes gears very nicely, and the singer's not all that accurate - so it should give you indie-heads something to get excited about.

Anyway, that's my rant.

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It's almost that time...

I'll begin. As much as no album has ever affected me as much as Illinois. In fact, I doubt I will ever like an album more than that. I have to say that overall, the best album that came out in 05 is The National - Alligator.

Et tu?

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Claiming that Illinois is a "rock" album is a stretch.

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[uw_madtown]

I wrote lots about how stupid this "I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THEM THEY CAN'T BE THE BEST" argument is, but it just kept going and going. So instead of writing an essay on pop culture, the history of mass media, and how one evaluates the quality of art and entertainment, I'll just insist that it's stupid. Because it is really, really [censored] stupid.

In other news, /images/graemlins/heart.gif Spoon's Gimme Fiction and New Pornographer's Twin Cinema, among many other albums listed here.

[IndieMatty]

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It's almost that time...

I'll begin. As much as no album has ever affected me as much as Illinois. In fact, I doubt I will ever like an album more than that. I have to say that overall, the best album that came out in 05 is The National - Alligator.

Et tu?

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Claiming that Illinois is a "rock" album is a stretch.

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I should have just put "indie". Yes, this album is not rock and roll. More like folk.

[Senor Cardgage]

Animal Collective's "Feels" is excellent. People need to hear this. That and "Sung Tongs".

I'm surprised I haven't seen anybody mention them so far.

[private joker]

Since I had The Go! Team on my 2004 list (it was #1), my nominees for 2005 would be:

Idlewild - Warnings/Promises
Decemberists - Picaresque
...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead - Worlds Apart
Beck - Guero
The National - Alligator
Death Cab For Cutie - Plans

[private joker]

Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention Trail of Dead and Death Cab???

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[IndieMatty]

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention Trail of Dead and Death Cab???

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Yeah because they were both really underwhelming, no? Same reason I haven't tossed out the new Broken Social Scene.

[private joker]

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they were both really underwhelming, no?

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No is correct. Worlds Apart and Plans are the best albums of each respective band's career.

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

In Your Opinion...

Source Tags and Codes is ridiculous. And I can't get behind Death Cab...all their albums sound that same, but mayhaps Plans is really good, I haven't listened to it.

PS: Wouldn't all of the problems raised by music discussions begin to be solved by not making sweeping generalizations and/or declarative statements...

[marsvolta619]

FU I was gonna say it first. Anyways here's albums I was digging...(ugh I hate making these lists)

Bloc Party
Mae - Everglow
Chiodos - Alls Well That Ends Well

[private joker]

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PS: Wouldn't all of the problems raised by music discussions begin to be solved by not making sweeping generalizations and/or declarative statements...

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Good luck changing a long, storied history of indie rocker dialogue. Haven't you seen High Fidelity? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CallMeIshmael]

You cant seriously put any album they've put out above source tags, can you??

Say it aint so.

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention ...Death Cab???

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OOT's taste must be improving.

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[johnnycakes]

My favorite two of the year:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000B6VV2E.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000A7S4B0.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[CallMeIshmael]

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I wrote lots about how stupid this "I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THEM THEY CAN'T BE THE BEST" argument is, but it just kept going and going. So instead of writing an essay on pop culture, the history of mass media, and how one evaluates the quality of art and entertainment, I'll just insist that it's stupid. Because it is really, really [censored] stupid.

In other news, /images/graemlins/heart.gif Spoon's Gimme Fiction and New Pornographer's Twin Cinema, among many other albums listed here.

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I /images/graemlins/heart.gif Madtown

[Jack of Arcades]

I talk about indie music on here because I want people to go out and give it a listen and find stuff that they like.

I listen to indie music 'cause it's the closest thing to great pop music out there.

I also fail to see how indie music can be so unpopular if MTV has a whole station dedicated to it.

[CheckRaise]

Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
Avenged Sevenfold - City of Evil (even though it is their worst album IMO)
Thrice - Vheissu (also their worst album)

[sleight]

Maximo Park (http://www.maximopark.com/maximopark/news.php) - A Certain Trigger (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007VXZJK/103-2655638-1368664?v=glance&amp;n=5174&amp;s=music&amp;v=glance)

[mmbt0ne]

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Mae - Everglow

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This and the new Thrice both seem like really good albums, but I haven't listened to them very much yet. I'm still pounding away at Circa Survive after almost 7 months. Tracks 6-10 are some of the best music I've heard in a while.

[Eurotrash]

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This and the new Thrice both seem like really good albums, but I haven't listened to them very much yet. I'm still pounding away at Circa Survive after almost 7 months. Tracks 6-10 are some of the best music I've heard in a while.

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you'll never be half the hipster that Suspect is.

give it up, poseur.

[CheckRaise]

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Mae - Everglow

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This and the new Thrice both seem like really good albums, but I haven't listened to them very much yet. I'm still pounding away at Circa Survive after almost 7 months. Tracks 6-10 are some of the best music I've heard in a while.

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Finally Thrice gets some respect.

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Is there some kind of newsletter distributed by the indie overlords that tells you what bands to say you like?

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Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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"a sun came" isn't all that good, he was still trying to find his sound

link to "Casmir Pulaski Day" (http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001734_sufjan.php)

this song is just awesome.

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About Sufjan.

A-Sufjan is not rock, not even close.
B-That Polanski day song was not a "great" song. Don't kid yourselves. It's not even particularly interesting. It is mopey, melancholy, boring. Oh, but he does sound real emotional, oh how sad. WTF? "I'm crying in the bathroom..." AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[IndieMatty]

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Is there some kind of newsletter distributed by the indie overlords that tells you what bands to say you like?

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No, no way. I'm 100% original. (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com)

[IndieMatty]

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Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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"a sun came" isn't all that good, he was still trying to find his sound

link to "Casmir Pulaski Day" (http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001734_sufjan.php)

this song is just awesome.

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About Sufjan.

A-Sufjan is not rock, not even close.
B-That Polanski day song was not a "great" song. Don't kid yourselves. It's not even particularly interesting. It is mopey, melancholy, boring. Oh, but he does sound real emotional, oh how sad. WTF? "I'm crying in the bathroom..." AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Where's the sadness in the song? You don't like it. That's ok. Please, bless us with some better tunes.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Is there some kind of newsletter distributed by the indie overlords that tells you what bands to say you like?

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No, no way. I'm 100% original. (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com)

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I'm 100% original, just like you. (http://dustedmagazine.com)

Taproot - Blue-Sky Research

And it's not even close, *for me*. I'm willing to grant that everyone has different tastes in music and no one person's are superior to another's. Of the 13 tracks on that CD, 10 of them blow me away every time I listen to them. And there's zero question as to whether it's rock.

I haven't really heard of most of the bands/albums in this thread except Audioslave...guess I'll have to give Out of Exile a listen since it's been getting so many nods here.

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Does someone want to post a song or two from Illinois to convince me to buy it? The only album by Sufjan I've spent time listening to is "A Sun Came" and I'm not a huge fan so far.

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"a sun came" isn't all that good, he was still trying to find his sound

link to "Casmir Pulaski Day" (http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001734_sufjan.php)

this song is just awesome.

[/ QUOTE ]
About Sufjan.

A-Sufjan is not rock, not even close.
B-That Polanski day song was not a "great" song. Don't kid yourselves. It's not even particularly interesting. It is mopey, melancholy, boring. Oh, but he does sound real emotional, oh how sad. WTF? "I'm crying in the bathroom..." AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[/ QUOTE ]

Where's the sadness in the song? You don't like it. That's ok. Please, bless us with some better tunes.

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Oh come one, are you serious? My quote above is part of the lyrics. I'm crying in the bathroom, oh how sad. He whisper sings the whole song, like he's feeling real tender and emotional. It's pretty funny to me, actually.

And I can bless us with a better tune, no problem. I don't even listen to much new music. The Denial Twist (http://rapidshare.de/files/8362548/The_White_Stripes_-_The_Denial_Twist.mp3.html)

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Is there some kind of newsletter distributed by the indie overlords that tells you what bands to say you like?

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No, no way. I'm 100% original. (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com)

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I'm 100% original, just like you. (http://dustedmagazine.com)

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Ha, I bet they use RSS syndication!

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<font color="green">I talk about indie music on here because I want people to go out and give it a listen and find stuff that they like. </font>

I listen to indie music 'cause it's the closest thing to great pop music out there.

I also fail to see how indie music can be so unpopular if MTV has a whole station dedicated to it.

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<font color="green">Hey, I do appreciate it, even though I bash some of the music. I have found a couple of artists that interested me. I find most of the music to be average, to be honest. </font>
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[captZEEbo1]

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since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

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I'll offer this as exhibit A. Sufjan Steven's new album

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4843/sufjan16kc.jpg

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I think your exhibit A blows...counterpoint: http://library.sdsmt.edu/images/videossm/Dr.%20Strangelove%20f.jpg

I would hope you at least recognize this movie as being good.

no offense guys, but how bout someone actually puts a rock album up??

Audioslave, to me, is just freakin nin and soundgarden... and it doesnt work. "If it doesn't remind me of anything"? STFU! what the hell? All he does is drone on. Now, if someone will tell me that the rest of the album is better, I'll check it out.

Maybe Im just not cool enough, but I just dont freaking get it. My rock and roll stations are being taken over by emo crap, and this is rock?

Someone clue me into this. Do I just not smoke enough weed?

Am I uncool for wanting guitar? palm-muted e's, and pentatonic scale riffs? COME ON!!!!!!

I really wish that Iommi, Osborne, and the others would give this "rock" scene a big bitchslap.

now before I get all three asterisks in one post, I shall depart. And as far as he music I like, ask tony p., take out the softer emo and indie, throw in a helluva lotta hard rock and metal, and GOOD rap, and there ya go.

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no offense guys, but how bout someone actually puts a rock album up??

Audioslave, to me, is just freakin nin and soundgarden... and it doesnt work. "If it doesn't remind me of anything"? STFU! what the hell? All he does is drone on. Now, if someone will tell me that the rest of the album is better, I'll check it out.

Maybe Im just not cool enough, but I just dont freaking get it. My rock and roll stations are being taken over by emo crap, and this is rock?

Someone clue me into this. Do I just not smoke enough weed?

Am I uncool for wanting guitar? palm-muted e's, and pentatonic scale riffs? COME ON!!!!!!

I really wish that Iommi, Osborne, and the others would give this "rock" scene a big bitchslap.

now before I get all three asterisks in one post, I shall depart. And as far as he music I like, ask tony p., take out the softer emo and indie, throw in a helluva lotta hard rock and metal, and GOOD rap, and there ya go.

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[censored]' A, man.

[Eurotrash]

yes, Dr. Strangelove is a fantastic movie and I am aware of its subtitle.

this does not change the fact that Sufjan's titles are gay. also, you're probably taking my critique a little too seriously.

[MarkSummers]

I may be a pussy but nothing IMO has topped I'm Wide Awake It's Morning. Those songs give me a weird feeling of being happily depressed.

[private joker]

I've just heard an instant contender for album of the year:

Jenny Lewis - Rabbit Furcoat

Not technically rock, but since she's the lead singer of Rilo Kiley, I'm including it. Anyway, the record is a folk album of country/bluegrass ballads wherein Lewis recaptures the spirit of Patsy Cline. It's pretty awe-inspiring.

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

This is a bad idea because these aren't 2005 albums, but here are some harder and louder acts you probably haven't heard of.

The Blood Brothers - F*cking's Greatest Hits (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371045/02_-_Fucking_s_Greatest_Hits.mp3.html)
It's not "rock and roll", it's acid punk so his voice is punky.

Drive Like Jehu - Here Come the Rome Plows (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371032/01_-_Here_Come_the_Rome_Plows.mp3.html)
Awesome rock and roll. Loud, but they know what they're doing.

Dredg - Symbol Song (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371108/01_-_Symbol_Song.mp3.html)
Give it a couple of seconds. It starts quiet but this song is absolutely awesome. I hope this qualifies as rock.

Let me know, because there's plenty more where that came from. And I've listened to and liked every hipster album in this thread. Tastes are diverse, but you'll probably catch me out on some detail in this music like it not being well-known. Whatever, it's late and I'm grouchy, listen to it, write if you like it or if you don't.

[MarkL444]

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention ...Death Cab???

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OOT's taste must be improving.

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nice. i dont listen to a lot of death cab, but that last album blew hard

[craig r]

I think both Bright Eyes were good, though, one is more "rock" than the other.

Social Distortion-I have been listening to them since I was 13, so I can't imagine not liking one of their albums.

Wow, I was really lame this year and didn't keep up with crap.

craig

[Dantes]

this (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&amp;token=ADFEAEE4791FDD4DAC7F20C09B3A40 C0B177FB0CFE53F58C11380456D3B82D6BA33A40C45BE09881 B0FB6AB779B0FD2EA45F43D5C0EC56F6DF6F2D4CF0&amp;sql=10: ey6m964o0ep7) not only has terrible song titles and has at least an element of pussy emo in it but I love it.

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This is a bad idea because these aren't 2005 albums, but here are some harder and louder acts you probably haven't heard of.

The Blood Brothers - F*cking's Greatest Hits (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371045/02_-_Fucking_s_Greatest_Hits.mp3.html)
It's not "rock and roll", it's acid punk so his voice is punky.

Drive Like Jehu - Here Come the Rome Plows (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371032/01_-_Here_Come_the_Rome_Plows.mp3.html)
Awesome rock and roll. Loud, but they know what they're doing.

Dredg - Symbol Song (http://rapidshare.de/files/8371108/01_-_Symbol_Song.mp3.html)
Give it a couple of seconds. It starts quiet but this song is absolutely awesome. I hope this qualifies as rock.

Let me know, because there's plenty more where that came from. And I've listened to and liked every hipster album in this thread. Tastes are diverse, but you'll probably catch me out on some detail in this music like it not being well-known. Whatever, it's late and I'm grouchy, listen to it, write if you like it or if you don't.

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Blood Brothers-I liked the music. It rocked, the performance was great. The voices aren't actually that big of a detraction, to me.

Drive Like Jehu-I was less impressed with this one. I mean it wasn't bad but it didn't seem very creative. Just bleh on this one.

Dredg-What can I say, this was great. Great melody, rhythm, tight band. Their name, however, sucks. Pretty sure I heard their name dropped somewhere and immediately thought they were some [censored] NU metal band.

Thanks Dude! Yer lookin out for me.

Can you subscribe me to the harder rocking version of the generic indie newsletter you guys all get?

[Matt R.]

Black Sheep Boy by Okkervil River

[Jack of Arcades]

Dredg started out as a [censored] nu metal band. I love all of their latest three releases.

In a week or so (finals soon, ugh), I'll upload some stuff that I listen to that really rocks.

[uw_madtown]

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Black Sheep Boy by Okkervil River

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Dredg started out as a [censored] nu metal band. I love all of their latest three releases.

In a week or so (finals soon, ugh), I'll upload some stuff that I listen to that really rocks.

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Ha, that's pretty funny that I nailed that.

I'll keep an eye out, thanks.

[Matt R.]

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Black Sheep Boy by Okkervil River

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Yeah, I did a quick search and didn't see it mentioned. I was shocked -- had to give it some love /images/graemlins/grin.gif

PS- Apparantly I need to check out the Sufjan album. A friend of mind said he didn't like it much. That's what I get for listening to him.

[GuyOnTilt]

Not sure about naming just one for my favourite of the year, but if I had to make a list... I'm going with the indie theme and not strictly rock, ps.

Spoon - Gimme Fiction
Anthony and the Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
Doves - Some Cities
Architecture in Helsinki - In Case We Die
The Fiery Furnaces - EP
LCD Soundsystem - LCD Soundsystem
The National - Alligator

And probably some other ones that just aren't popping to mind right now.

GoT

[GuyOnTilt]

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention Trail of Dead and Death Cab???

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Death Cab blows. And even if you don't think they blow, you will agree they blow HARD live. But even after knowing how hard they suck live I still wanted really, really badly to go to their show the other weekend if only to see Stars. Didn't get to. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

GoT

[GuyOnTilt]

Good lord people. I'll go ahead and say it I guess: I love indie music and do not like Surfjan Stevens.

GoT

[jason_t]

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention Trail of Dead and Death Cab???

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Death Cab blows. And even if you don't think they blow, you will agree they blow HARD live. But even after knowing how hard they suck live I still wanted really, really badly to go to their show the other weekend if only to see Stars. Didn't get to. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

GoT

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I went to their show here in Los Angeles at the Wiltern a couple of weeks ago. Death Cab was not as bad as I was expecting them to be. Stars was fantastic though.

[GuyOnTilt]

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Holy crap! Am I the first person in 13 pages to mention Trail of Dead and Death Cab???

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Death Cab blows. And even if you don't think they blow, you will agree they blow HARD live. But even after knowing how hard they suck live I still wanted really, really badly to go to their show the other weekend if only to see Stars. Didn't get to. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

GoT

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I went to their show here in Los Angeles at the Wiltern a couple of weeks ago. Death Cab was not as bad as I was expecting them to be. Stars was fantastic though.

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I seriously am jealous. I've still never seen Stars and I am absolutely in love with them. If I had to pick my single favourite line from a song this year, it would hands-down be the first line, second verse from Your Ex-Lover is Dead: This scar is a fleck on my porcelain skin. I would've paid admission just to hear Amy deliver that one line. I still can't help but smile everytime I hear her deliver it. So perfect.

GoT

K, Im gonna attempt to draw a diagram here, and for what it's worth, someone please change my mind.

Rock and Roll: it starts in the 50's, with a rebellious electric guitar, kind of a poppy sound. Then it moves forward, and we get metal rock, you know... POWER CHORDS, drums, a lil rockin ass bass.

You have Iommi who basically invents rock guitar, jimi hendrix... well he's just jimi, and all of those classic rock greats we all know and love.

Then, we get pantera, metallica, et al... and they further rock with hard driving lyrics, power chord, and trilling beautiful solos. Then there's grunge, and now rock has disseminated into emo, alt pop, and truly awful guitar hell.

I see all this, and I sort of accept it.

but nowhere in there did I utter the word folk, I didnt say banjo, and I dont understand how any of this is rock.

Please prove me wrong, and show me this. I know the history of the rebirth of the folk/country thing with Willie at Threadgills, but Im still not seeing that it's rock.

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Good lord people. I'll go ahead and say it I guess: I love indie music and do not like Surfjan Stevens.

GoT

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WTF? What kind of indie hipster douche are you? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[IndieMatty]

The second best album is, Bloc Party - Silent Alarm.

I'll be back with the third best album later today.

[TheHip41]

System of a Down - Mezmorize

[Jack of Arcades]

Because you're leaving out Johnny Cash, the Beatles, Elvis, Buddy Holly, etc. Indie rock is the closest thing to these guys there is in modern times.

There are indie bands that rock with pretty good guitar like Built to Spill, Sleater-Kinney, Pretty Girls Make Graves, White Stripes, The Von Bondies, Icarus Line, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Sonic Youth, Ted Leo, and the Walkmen. It's just that much of indie rock is really just pop, but not a lot of people like to admit they listen to pop music.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Good lord people. I'll go ahead and say it I guess: I love indie music and do not like Surfjan Stevens.

GoT

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WTF? What kind of indie hipster douche are you? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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haha, I really love Illinois but I never listen to his other stuff.

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

Doug Martsch only plays a "pretty good" guitar, Jack? <font color="white"> JUST JOSHING! But seriously, he's awesome. </font>

[Jack of Arcades]

Doug Martsch is one of the greatest guitarists of our generation. I just didn't want to build him up too much /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[jaydub]

I hope this is a joke. This is how you would diagram rock?

CYHSY and New Pornographers are my picks

I'm one of those who thinks Sufjan Stevens is overrated and also Kanye is derivative as hell.

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

Ok, here's me trying to bridge the gap between the indie parts and the rock parts. It's a Built to Spill song and Doug Martsch IS one of the best guitarist around these days. This might not be the most accessible song, but if you can give it until just after the 4 minute mark, you can hear Doug go off for 2 minutes. This man is absolutely sick. His biggest influence is Neil Young by far, and I'd post Doug's cover of Cortez the Killer which features four guitars, 2 drum sets, and a bass guitar (2? bass guitars? I don't remember) jamming for 20 minutes, but it's f'ing long and I figured I'd try this first.

Built to Spill - I Would Hurt a Fly (http://rapidshare.de/files/8405776/02_-_I_Would_Hurt_a_Fly.mp3.html)

And yes, Doug does have a high voice.

[bobbyi]

I really love the Built to Spill version of Cortez the Killer. That back to back with Car on their live album is bliss.

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Ok, here's me trying to bridge the gap between the indie parts and the rock parts. It's a Built to Spill song and Doug Martsch IS one of the best guitarist around these days. This might not be the most accessible song, but if you can give it until just after the 4 minute mark, you can hear Doug go off for 2 minutes. This man is absolutely sick. His biggest influence is Neil Young by far, and I'd post Doug's cover of Cortez the Killer which features four guitars, 2 drum sets, and a bass guitar (2? bass guitars? I don't remember) jamming for 20 minutes, but it's f'ing long and I figured I'd try this first.

Built to Spill - I Would Hurt a Fly (http://rapidshare.de/files/8405776/02_-_I_Would_Hurt_a_Fly.mp3.html)

And yes, Doug does have a high voice.

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thanks. I really just wanted someone to bridge that gap for me, and I can very much appreciate the guitar.

My diagram of rock was very [censored], and this was because I didnt feel like typing 80 paragraphs which would have gotten multiple "tl;dr" responses.

Its good to know there's still some guitar around.

Although they're not my flavor, los lonely boys are unmatched in pop music for good technical guitar.

[private joker]

There's a mean bone in my body... it's connected to the problem that I won't take for an answer, I won't take that from youuuuu because I... would hurt a fly....


One of the best songs ever written.

[Jack of Arcades]

I prefer Distopian Dream Girl

"If it came down to your life or mine, I'd do the stupid thing and let you keep on living"

[swede123]

The main thing I get out of these kinds of threads is a reminder how incredibly lame and mainstream my music taste is compared to you all. Seriously, I considered it a high percentage when I recognized two out of the artists on the first page.

Swede

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This is my top 10 of 05

how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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daryn, youre a smart dude, but you should steer clear of the music threads. youve demonstrated you dont know anything about current music and your reasoning to defend yourself is horrid.

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bwana

I'll say it, I listen to mainstream, and it doesnt make me uncool. I have metallica, zep, ozzy, and, and, oh well...

doesn't really matter, I just dont get this stuff. I will try to eek into it slowly, because I really would like to be able to discuss this with you guys, but alas, for now I am tre ignorant.

[Jack of Arcades]

I listen to mainstream, too. Fuel is one of my favorite bands ever. I really like Ashlee Simpson, Kelly Clarkson, and JC Chasez. Heh.

[GuyOnTilt]

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GoT

[istewart]

Hadn't heard The National's album before reading this thread but I like it a lot, so thanks to whomever.

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duh. me as usual.

[istewart]

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[GuyOnTilt]

After sleeping on it, I think if we're going with "Best Rock Album" of 2005, I'd probably give my nod to Doves. Maybe part of that is because I think of them as more "rock" than a lot of the other albums I loved this year which I guess I think of more as pop, but whatever. Probably not my favourite album of the year, but if someone asked me for the best "rock" album of 2005, I'd probably point them to Doves' Some Cities and next to Spoon's Gimme Fiction.

GoT

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duh. me as usual.

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And here's my live trip report (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Board=exchange&amp;Number=3603294&amp;S earchpage=1&amp;Main=3603294&amp;Words=%26quot%3Btrip+repo rt%26quot%3B+private+joker&amp;topic=&amp;Search=true#Post 3603294) that nobody saw.

[jason_t]

It's close between

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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Decemberists - Picaresque
Death Cab For Cutie - Plans

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Tres Bien.

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It's close between

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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I really liked Twin Cinema, but I think it needed a little more Neko......so I gotta go with CYHSY.

Wolf Parade is a close 3rd.

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Wolf Parade is a close 3rd.

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good man.

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[CollinEstes]

The day this topic was posted on my way home from work NPR did a segment on Clap your hands and say yeah. About them getting on pitchfork and some other stuff kinda of interesting.

But still find the music annoying and that singer's voice shallow.

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Wolf Parade is a close 3rd.

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Haha. Well I know you like good music dude. I'm just trying to give everyone a pat on the back.

[Eurotrash]

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[Soul Daddy]

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Haha. Well I know you like good music dude. I'm just trying to give everyone a pat on the back.

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Damn, I was really just hoping I could confuse you again.

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Holy [censored]. Stuey is a [censored] genius. huh?