20/40 this one can't be right - KTs

[Surfbullet]

Villain is 20/10/1 over 50ish. Don't know anything about him.

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Preflop: Surf is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $20. CO posts a blind of $20.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Surf calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, Surf calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Surf bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, BB folds, Surf calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Surf checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Surf folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

As an aside: I haven't played full ring in forever and don't know wtf i'm doing in the first 4 positions. I've been playing raise-or-fold but my VPIP is microscopic that way. Is it okay to limp this type of stuff (and mid-pairs, Axs etc?) if the table PFR is 10-15? n00b question, i know.

Surf

[gh9801]

You can increase your VPIP from LP. I fold KTs here, especially since the table is aggro preflop. You'll get iso-raised a lot and you'll be in lots of tough spots OOP too. I'm sure there are some who would probably raise KTs here though.

This turn fold is probably fine the way you played it, I'm not too sure what you are beating and you only have 4 outs you know for sure are clean

[Surfbullet]

my LP VPIP is no problem, i'm a LAG on the button/CO.

Thanks for the input.

Surf

[flawless_victory]

looks fine.

[stigmata]

re-e-wind.....

So you guys are limping KTs in ep? I can see this being slightly +EV at 2/4, but I would never open-limp this at the part 20/40 for the reasons gh9801 stated....

[sfer]

I would usually raise preflop. I'm not sure what a flop bet accomplishes since the preflop raise + flop autobet rate in that game is something slightly north of 100%.

I dont like the limp, I'd go for a raise much more than a limp, and I like a fold more often than a raise, of course it's all dependant on game conditions, so, I guess, I dont know how i'd play it...judging by past experiences, I'd probably jack it up and pay off KJ when he three bet me PF and check raised a 10 high flop. I need some sleep bad.




Tex

[flawless_victory]

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re-e-wind.....

So you guys are limping KTs in ep? I can see this being slightly +EV at 2/4, but I would never open-limp this at the part 20/40 for the reasons gh9801 stated....

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there are 2 posters.

[BoxLiquid]

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You can increase your VPIP from LP. I fold KTs here, especially since the table is aggro preflop. You'll get iso-raised a lot and you'll be in lots of tough spots OOP too. I'm sure there are some who would probably raise KTs here though.

This turn fold is probably fine the way you played it, I'm not too sure what you are beating and you only have 4 outs you know for sure are clean

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I fold pre-flop. I have been in this situation alot of times and I usually end up losing a lot of money. Invest your money for better opportunities.


EDIT: I don't know why some people are recommending to raise UTG with KTs.

[stigmata]

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there are 2 posters.

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OK thanks for pointing that out

Must. Start. Reading. Hands. Properly. Before. Posting. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[gh9801]

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re-e-wind.....

So you guys are limping KTs in ep? I can see this being slightly +EV at 2/4, but I would never open-limp this at the part 20/40 for the reasons gh9801 stated....

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there are 2 posters.

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I didn't notice there were two posters either. I think I'd raise here in that case.

[DeathDonkey]

I think the limp preflop was fine. I would do the same with QJs KJs QTs JTs with the two posters and some of those without if you judge the game is ok for it. I would checkraise the flop and take it from there. Given your way the turn looks like a nice easy fold.

-DeathDonkey

[goofball]

I would fold PF a lot of the time, if i felt good control over the game I would raise or sometimes limp. I would 3bet that flop. He posted and then raised his range is pretty big even after he raises the flop.

[stackm]

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I would fold PF a lot of the time, if i felt good control over the game I would raise or sometimes limp. I would 3bet that flop. He posted and then raised his range is pretty big even after he raises the flop.

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Agreed. I'm not calling KT UTG in most 20 games, but if you're in you're in, and now you've flopped your hand. Why not three-bet the flop? Sure, sometimes you'll end up being called down by KJ and that's life, but you'll get a chance to define the villain's hand and maybe you can get away a little easier if you're beat.

[Dazarath]

I haven't played that much of the PP 20/40, but at 15/30, I'm showing a slight profit with limping suited boardways. I'm also showing a slight profit at 20/40, but the sample size is too insignificant to mean anything (ie. &lt; 20k hands).