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silly_monkey

11-29-2005, 05:53 AM

Villan is TAG with 19/11/2.3 stats.

I think I'm up against either a set or random two pair on the flop.

What is the standard line here?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

11-29-2005, 05:55 AM

i raise the turn before slowing down

if it gets 3bet on the turn i call it down from there ui

11-29-2005, 05:59 AM

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i raise the turn before slowing down

if it gets 3bet on the turn i call it down from there ui

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AlmightyJay

11-29-2005, 08:13 AM

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Villan is TAG with 19/11/2.3 stats.

I think I'm up against either a set or random two pair on the flop.

What is the standard line here?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

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I can't see this villian playing 33 in this spot. AA and KK re-raise you preflop, and I would assume so would AK. A3s could make sense if he assumed you were stealing, though why wouldn't he 3-bet preflop? This hand is really confusing me.

Webster

11-29-2005, 08:22 AM

I would be raising the turn. Why do you think he has a set. Villan is not the type to slow play pocket pairs is he? He looks aggressive to me and would not cold call with pockets.

I'd make him pay.

Raise him on the turn. He probebly suspects you are stealing.

11-29-2005, 09:14 AM

I think we are ahead here a ton of times so I raise the turn. If he still want to raise me, fine, I call him down and go slow from there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair of aces here with medium kicker or two pair. If he has a set so be it but I'm still raising the turn.

silly_monkey

11-29-2005, 04:02 PM

So whats the line if I raise the turn and he 3-bets? Call and then call on the river?

I was hoping someone could find a fold here... this hand sucked.

11-29-2005, 04:20 PM

Without reading responses ...

I think you definitely need to raise the turn. Since villian has a decently high AF (not sure how many hands), I would even go as far as to cap the turn and slow down on the river. The only thing i can conceivably think we are behind on the flop is 33. Another thought is that villian could be hyper-aggresively pumping with a hand like Qh Jh

11-29-2005, 04:24 PM

Even if villian had a .00000000000000001 AF I would have a hard time getting away from this .... maybe I dump too much with top 2 pair though after reading some responses

11-29-2005, 04:51 PM

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I can't see this villian playing 33 in this spot. AA and KK re-raise you preflop, and I would assume so would AK. A3s could make sense if he assumed you were stealing, though why wouldn't he 3-bet preflop? This hand is really confusing me.

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Actually, 33 is about the only thing I can see villain having here. What else would he cap the flop with that he wouldn't raise preflop? QJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif, A3s? Was he trying to be tricky preflop with AA or KK thinking OP was on a steal?

This hand is very confusing. Even though I suspect 33, I think I'd raise the turn and make villian "prove" it to me with a 3-bet. Only then would I slow down.

11-29-2005, 04:53 PM

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So whats the line if I raise the turn and he 3-bets? Call and then call on the river?

I was hoping someone could find a fold here... this hand sucked.

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I think the chance that he have K3, A3 is even bigger than him having 33 here. So if he 3bets the turn I call it down from there. I also like your line. I'm not getting away from this hand.

Fryguy

11-29-2005, 05:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
i raise the turn before slowing down

if it gets 3bet on the turn i call it down from there ui

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beset7

11-29-2005, 05:09 PM

Eek. Scary! TAG calls preflop and then goes nuts on the flop. I still raise the turn, if he 3-bet I go into call-down mode. A guy that aggressive would cap the flop with a worse 2-pair.

11-29-2005, 05:36 PM

Grunge:

I suspect that CO thinks you are raising PF light. I would raise on the turn and if he 3-bets I might give him credit for AA,KK, or 33 and call from there.