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housenuts

11-29-2005, 03:43 AM

check out this huge pot. how do you think i played this hand. really only 2 hands beat me, 77 and 55 (very unlikely)
should i have kept jamming?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, CO calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, UTG calls, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, CO folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

River: (27 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 31 BB

cold_cash

11-29-2005, 03:54 AM

I'd just bet the turn myself.

I'd also seriously begin to worry about being beaten when my turn check-raise is 3-bet.

housenuts

11-29-2005, 04:07 AM

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I'd just bet the turn myself.

I'd also seriously begin to worry about being beaten when my turn check-raise is 3-bet.

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the prospect of trapping all those players for a raise was too enticing. perhaps it's wrong, but i thought it was good.

does MP2 really raise PF here with 77 or 55?

Harv72b

11-29-2005, 04:13 AM

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does MP2 really raise PF here with 77 or 55?

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Tough to say with no read given. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I've seen far stranger things. Hell, you can't even rule out the possibility that he raised behind 3 limpers on what appears to be a loose table with 98s.

Either way, I play the flop & river the same. I lead the turn after capping the flop, tho--if the other two are gonna call, they're gonna call 2 just as easily as 1. And checking after you capped the flop just looks suspicious as hell.

ReptileHouse

11-29-2005, 11:26 AM

That 5 was pretty much the second best card in the deck for you.

Lead the turn. Your fancy play worked here but you likely would have gotten the money in anyway and even if not, getting the turn checked through would really suck.

On the river, you need to get in another raise. It's very likely villain has either an overpair or the nut flush. I expect to be shown AK or AQ of clubs a large portion of the time here and an overplayed AA, KK or QQ sometimes as well. JJ would really suck and I'd put that in villain's range, too, so you have to consider it. I'd put all of those hands as more likely than 77 or 55.

I'd call a 4-bet and swear at the monitor when shown JJ.

MJL

11-29-2005, 11:31 AM

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check out this huge pot. how do you think i played this hand. really only 2 hands beat me, 77 and 55 (very unlikely)
should i have kept jamming?

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I agree the action says 55 and 77 is unlikely. How likely are pocket Jacks?

toss

11-29-2005, 11:32 AM

Nah I think its fine although its kinda farfetched that MP2 raised Preflop with 77, but JJ got there on the river. It would suck to 3-bet then get capped on the river.

paperboyNC

11-29-2005, 11:34 AM

Nice hand. It would be nice to see some stats on MP2 to get a better idea if he has 77 here. I really don't think you are seeing AA, KK or QQ on the river. MP2's most likely hand is A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif, but there are a lot of other possibilities.

3betting the river is +EV against his range.

SNOWBALL138

11-29-2005, 11:35 AM

I'm confused by what to do on the river. I'd probably just call like you. What did villain have?

theghost

11-29-2005, 01:21 PM

With no reads, I don't see MP2 with 77 or 55 (because of his preflop action).

His 3-bet of the turn c/r is a little scary, but does he really have 77 or 55 - I just can't believe it. Cap is fine.

Definitely 3-betting the river, especially when the flush gets there.

If he has JJ so be it. If he has 77 or 55 I shed a tear and watch the pot slide his way.

TheHip41

11-29-2005, 01:46 PM

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I'd just bet the turn myself.

I'd also seriously begin to worry about being beaten when my turn check-raise is 3-bet.

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the prospect of trapping all those players for a raise was too enticing. perhaps it's wrong, but i thought it was good.

does MP2 really raise PF here with 77 or 55?

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I'd raise 77 here about 50% of the time. 55 not so much. Sure looks like he has 77, or a massively overplayed AA

11-29-2005, 01:57 PM

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With no reads, I don't see MP2 with 77 or 55 (because of his preflop action).

His 3-bet of the turn c/r is a little scary, but does he really have 77 or 55 - I just can't believe it. Cap is fine.

Definitely 3-betting the river, especially when the flush gets there.

If he has JJ so be it. If he has 77 or 55 I shed a tear and watch the pot slide his way.

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I'd be amazed if you lost this hand. Then again, I recently lost to QQQQ with a boat and didn't see it coming. Looking back, I should have realized the possibility with the villian's preflop raise and a flop of QQ9 (I had 99). The best I figured he had was three of a kind. Boy was I wrong. Hopefully, you weren't here.

TomBrooks

11-29-2005, 03:02 PM

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I'd raise 77 here about 50% of the time. 55 not so much. Sure looks like he has 77, or a massively overplayed AA

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Because MP2 raised preflop, I don't think he has a hand that has a 5 or 7 in it. 55 or 77 won't usually raise preflop after 2-3 early limpers either. I think he has an overpair or AK or AQs. If that AK or AQ is in /images/graemlins/club.gifs that could account for his aggession, although his three bet on the turn seems overly aggressive with a draw. Something is not jiving here with MP2s play.

I'd probably lean towards a three bet on the river, but it's probably close in EV either way.

housenuts

11-29-2005, 04:36 PM

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I'm confused by what to do on the river. I'd probably just call like you. What did villain have?

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God damn mullets! 77. Woulda been a nice pot, but not a big deal.