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1800GAMBLER

11-28-2005, 07:00 PM

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org) Villian is 50/25

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

no stats villian is from vegas though

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
6 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks.

No stats.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Villian is reg and has avg stats

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

no stats.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO calls.

River: (10 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

Ya. thoughts? Also, i'm annoyed beating at every other stakes apart from 30 [censored] 60, so if anyone wants to volunteer to take my next 2000 hands, add to PT filter through the main ones then give thoughts, then i will reply with my thoughts they are welcome to. We can post the ones we disagree on.

tpir90036

11-28-2005, 07:17 PM

Hand 1: Looks good. I might just check-call the river if he would bet a draw he picked up on the turn one more time.

Hand 2: I assume you are just giving up here. This is a spot where I am prone to throwing away a BB since I "can't win by checking".

Hand 3: This is another one that I pay off every time but I have yet to see enough river bluffs to make it worthwhile. If he slowplayed his set to the river then good for him. Or maybe he has a Q and knows you won't 3-bet but would pay off with any pair.

Hand 4: Looks good.

Hand 5: With two opponents I have no idea what to do here on the river. I think your line makes a lot of sense but part of me wants to just check-fold.

gh9801

11-28-2005, 08:08 PM

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Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org) Villian is 50/25

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

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How standard is it to bet/call river in this spot? I find myself c/calling in this type of situation most of the time, should I be betting here more?

xorbie

11-28-2005, 08:17 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you plan on bet/calling the river in hand 1, isn't it better to just 3-bet the turn?

W. Deranged

11-28-2005, 08:23 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you plan on bet/calling the river in hand 1, isn't it better to just 3-bet the turn?

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Not necessarily. Sometimes it can be better to stop'n'go in order to avoid putting in more bets than you want to... Here, hero knows this line will assure a showdown for no more than 4 and no fewer than 3 bb...

That's not to say that the concept is correctly applied in this specific hand, but there are times when stopping and going can be better for "bet control" reasons.

1800GAMBLER

11-28-2005, 08:30 PM

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Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org) Villian is 50/25

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

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How standard is it to bet/call river in this spot? I find myself c/calling in this type of situation most of the time, should I be betting here more?

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I decided i was too often seeing TJ JQ other stuff take a free showdown, yet usually when i donk bet out the river it seems like it is more likely to get randomly raised, not sure about the river calll but i think it is incorrect.

tongni

11-28-2005, 08:32 PM

Hand 1: Overplayed by 1 bet, check call the river.

Hand 4: I would bet the turn.

xorbie

11-28-2005, 08:40 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you plan on bet/calling the river in hand 1, isn't it better to just 3-bet the turn?

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Not necessarily. Sometimes it can be better to stop'n'go in order to avoid putting in more bets than you want to... Here, hero knows this line will assure a showdown for no more than 4 and no fewer than 3 bb...

That's not to say that the concept is correctly applied in this specific hand, but there are times when stopping and going can be better for "bet control" reasons.

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This makes sense, except he puts in 5BB anyway.

Danenania

11-28-2005, 09:48 PM

Hand 1: my SOP would be to check/call the river. I think a 50/25 is rarely checking behind here, and I would like exactly 1 bet to go in. Is your idea to induce raises from worse hands? I think unless you have a read that you're generally not in good shape if 2 bets go in on this river.

Hand 2: can I assume you are check/folding riv? I think this line is fine though lately I have been liking a turn checkraise more since you sometimes have the best hand + outs + some semibluffing equity especially on certain turns. Player dependent.

Hand 3: I can go either way on the river. I think calling's fine as a default.

Hand 4: Your decisions don't seem to jive in this hand. Not sure why you checkraised flop if you aren't going to follow through on a card that's quite good for you. River I think is very feel based. It's AT vs. how likely he is to slowplay a monster like this. Don't think I could fault you for either choice.

Hand 5 looks standard. Protected pot, not a bluff or low club on river. Good fold.

bdk3clash

11-28-2005, 10:02 PM

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Villian is reg and has avg stats

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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With such a strong flop I think some consideration should be given to leading out as you'll occassionally take down the pot by inducing an incorrect fold, and if you get raised it's certainly not a disaster.

I'm not sure what the plan is by checkraising the flop and then checking the turn--could you explain this play?

On the river I would 3-bet without much hesitation but maybe I shouldn't.

sfer

11-28-2005, 11:40 PM

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Villian is reg and has avg stats

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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With such a strong flop I think some consideration should be given to leading out as you'll occassionally take down the pot by inducing an incorrect fold, and if you get raised it's certainly not a disaster.

I'm not sure what the plan is by checkraising the flop and then checking the turn--could you explain this play?

On the river I would 3-bet without much hesitation but maybe I shouldn't.

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I think this flop is a check/call.

Entity

11-29-2005, 12:21 AM

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Villian is reg and has avg stats

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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With such a strong flop I think some consideration should be given to leading out as you'll occassionally take down the pot by inducing an incorrect fold, and if you get raised it's certainly not a disaster.

I'm not sure what the plan is by checkraising the flop and then checking the turn--could you explain this play?

On the river I would 3-bet without much hesitation but maybe I shouldn't.

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I think I prefer a check-call here unless we've got a reason to think our FE is pretty high (it usually isn't on a KQss board, since our draw looks like a draw).

Rob