This is terrible, right?

[xorbie]

I feel like this whole hand is spewing. Original raiser is 60/16, cold caller is 38/3/2.5. I think the only saving grace is that a K raises flop and a T raises turn.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, SB folds.

River: (9.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

[baronzeus]

lol OMG this hand rules.

i dont like your preflop 3bet at all.

your flop raise is meh, but once UTG coldcalls the flop you should just give it uP IMO since you're probably in last place.

[MrBig30]

Spewing? Yes, looks like it.
I´d just call preflop and fold flop. Not a good spot to raise preflop IMO, loosie UTG will call 2 more always and 22 is not great 3-way. The flop is very bad for you, just fold.

1. Call preflop, and checkfold the flop UI.

2. Played the way you did, fold the flop. The SB is leading into the three-bettor.

[I am fish]

I would just call preflop, and that would definetely not be incorrect. That said, I also definetely don't dog aggressive play. I think the way, you played the hand... if you are willing to call on the river, you should bet out and hope that you can get a better hand to fold. Which would not be out of the question given how aggressive you played the hand. I don't think this is a time to induce a bluff.

[I am fish]

I thought about this hand while I was at the bar tonight... I feel given the way you played the hand... you HAVE to bet the river... I don't think you're good here most of the time... I think there is definetely a lot better value in betting the river and getting a better hand to fold. Like a better pocket pair. Doesn't have to work that often for it to be better IMO.

There is even a chance that an A high will call.

[TStoneMBD]

ok this ties surfbullet for the grossest thing ive ever seen anybody do.

[stigmata]

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ok this ties surfbullet for the grossest thing ive ever seen anybody do.

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LOL, after reading some of todays hands, I think someone needs to bump that "tiltaholics anonymous" post from a while back.

[kiddo]

Why are u posting this hand if u think it was a bad play? What do u want us to say?

Instead of me saying something I would like you to answer:

What was your plan preflop?

What was your plan on flop, not just for the flop but for the whole hand? What did u put SB that makes your raise fine?

What was your plan on turn, not just for the turn but for turn and river?

What did u think on river?

[flawless_victory]

preflop asnd flop both suck.
not sure, but it seems you are pretty new to limit? small pairs are not good hands... big cards homie.
the way this hand played out, it sure looks like u won, so that kinda rules...

[Alobar]

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Why are u posting this hand if u think it was a bad play? What do u want us to say?

Instead of me saying something I would like you to answer:

What was your plan preflop?

What was your plan on flop, not just for the flop but for the whole hand? What did u put SB that makes your raise fine?

What was your plan on turn, not just for the turn but for turn and river?

What did u think on river?

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really good post kiddo, I like this.

[ddubois]

Well, once you get there, the river seems fine. UTG has a busted flush draw 1/9th of the time, at least.

I have no idea what SB has, and any of my thoughts on it will certainly be tainted by the fact that he folded the turn. (99? JJ?) You need a read here like "SB weak leads with weak hands, CRs strong hands" to begin to justify your play here.

[xorbie]

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Why are u posting this hand if u think it was a bad play? What do u want us to say?

Instead of me saying something I would like you to answer:

What was your plan preflop?

What was your plan on flop, not just for the flop but for the whole hand? What did u put SB that makes your raise fine?

What was your plan on turn, not just for the turn but for turn and river?

What did u think on river?

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Why would I post hands I thought were easy that I played well? I thought PF my hand was good, I could likely get UTG to fold a hand he might think was dominated and also if he had limped another small pair 44-66 he might fold it postflop. On the flop this guy had been donk betting before, I raise and if SB calls I'm putting no more in the pot, but I think this bet has good FE against 88 or so. Am I wrong? Maybe. On the turn, I figure I'm good against QJ/AJ/AQ, and after he just calls I figure check/call is the best way to get a river bet out of an aggro player.

[xCEO]

UTG limpers don't fold very often for 2 more bets

[kiddo]

This is what I was looking for, now we can start discuss.

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I thought PF my hand was good, I could likely get UTG to fold a hand he might think was dominated and also if he had limped another small pair 44-66 he might fold it postflop.

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Yes, 22 is good against any unpaired cards preflop but against 2 loose guys u will normally have to take it to showdown and then your 22s are 50/50 against any2 cards except pairs where it is a big underdog. And u will never know where u are since all cards are overcards. So u really like to 3bet 22 against tight players, not against loose ones.

And u cant likely make a VPIP 40% fold since he already put money in pot. So it will normally be 3way.

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On the flop this guy had been donk betting before, I raise and if SB calls I'm putting no more in the pot, but I think this bet has good FE against 88 or so. Am I wrong? Maybe.

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You seen him donkbet before against 2 players after pot got 3bet preflop? Even bad players normally dont donkbet with nothing when they know it is zero chance others will fold.

I agree that u can make other guy fold a better hand, but I dont that argument is strong enough to try to move him off his hand again.

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On the turn, I figure I'm good against QJ/AJ/AQ, and after he just calls I figure check/call is the best way to get a river bet out of an aggro player.

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Yes, u are. But u cant really put both on QJ/AJ/AQ, can you? Of course its possible, but very unlikely since they both called 2 bets on flop with inside straight.

On river I can see a checkcall, because now u have to hope he is on a busted draw somehow.

[NLSoldier]

yep.