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Voltron87

11-28-2005, 03:49 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($157.85)
UTG ($559.06)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($158.32)
Hero ($278)
SB ($244)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($13) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

Turn: ($31) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero raises to $225, CO calls $115.32 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411.32

Results in white below: 
CO has 8d Td (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has Ah 9h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: CO wins $321.64. Hero wins $89.68.

2+2 wannabe

11-28-2005, 04:01 PM

buddy list

IndieMatty

11-28-2005, 04:02 PM

Because he's already put 30% of his stack in there, and sucks?

DcifrThs

11-28-2005, 04:06 PM

what are you drawing to that hit the 7?

Barron

11-28-2005, 04:10 PM

Because your "mini" raise at the end screams that you have nothing.

Voltron87

11-28-2005, 04:23 PM

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what are you drawing to that hit the 7?

Barron

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ah, so he intentionally lead weak to prove to me that he had middle pair to induce a bluff and was all along planning on calling an all in? v. smart now that i think about it.

jesus this forum is going to be gold for posters who come in and nitpick

jman220

11-28-2005, 04:27 PM

Misplayed on every street.

henrikrh

11-28-2005, 04:34 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($157.85)
UTG ($559.06)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($158.32)
Hero ($278)
SB ($244)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($13) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

Turn: ($31) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero raises to $225, CO calls $115.32 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411.32

Results in white below: 
CO has 8d Td (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has Ah 9h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: CO wins $321.64. Hero wins $89.68. 

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This is what being a donkey is! No, not him, you! Idiots who make [censored] bluffs and then complain when they are called by a weak hand that beats them. The only play worse than their call is your raise.

Reminds me of that Stillman idiot on WSOP2005 who moved all in on a stop'n'go with 22 after the flop came 9QA. He called the other guy an moron for calling with AT when he was the moron.

Basically, both players played shite, he just ended with the better junk hand.

jman220

11-28-2005, 04:49 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($157.85)
UTG ($559.06)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($158.32)
Hero ($278)
SB ($244)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($13) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

Turn: ($31) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero raises to $225, CO calls $115.32 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411.32

Results in white below: 
CO has 8d Td (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has Ah 9h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: CO wins $321.64. Hero wins $89.68. 

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This is what being a donkey is! No, not him, you! Idiots who make [censored] bluffs and then complain when they are called by a weak hand that beats them. The only play worse than their call is your raise.

Reminds me of that Stillman idiot on WSOP2005 who moved all in on a stop'n'go with 22 after the flop came 9QA. He called the other guy an moron for calling with AT when he was the moron.

Basically, both players played shite, he just ended with the better junk hand.

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I disagree. I seriously see no problem with villain's play here. Especially if he had a read on Hero as being a donk.

henrikrh

11-28-2005, 04:51 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($157.85)
UTG ($559.06)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($158.32)
Hero ($278)
SB ($244)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($13) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

Turn: ($31) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero raises to $225, CO calls $115.32 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411.32

Results in white below: 
CO has 8d Td (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has Ah 9h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: CO wins $321.64. Hero wins $89.68. 

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This is what being a donkey is! No, not him, you! Idiots who make [censored] bluffs and then complain when they are called by a weak hand that beats them. The only play worse than their call is your raise.

Reminds me of that Stillman idiot on WSOP2005 who moved all in on a stop'n'go with 22 after the flop came 9QA. He called the other guy an moron for calling with AT when he was the moron.

Basically, both players played shite, he just ended with the better junk hand.

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I disagree. I seriously see no problem with villain's play here. Especially if he had a read on Hero as being a donk.

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Ok, as long as we are clear that the Hero is a donkey.

Recliner

11-28-2005, 04:57 PM

The problem is that the just calling the villan's bets makes it look like he has a flush draw. On the river the villian can put hero on air, xh7h or any other hand with 2 hearts. After the turn the villian should know his 8's are good and the hero picked a horrible card to bluff with.

jman220

11-28-2005, 05:01 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($157.85)
UTG ($559.06)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($158.32)
Hero ($278)
SB ($244)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($13) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9, BB folds.

Turn: ($31) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero raises to $225, CO calls $115.32 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411.32

Results in white below: 
CO has 8d Td (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has Ah 9h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: CO wins $321.64. Hero wins $89.68. 

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This is what being a donkey is! No, not him, you! Idiots who make [censored] bluffs and then complain when they are called by a weak hand that beats them. The only play worse than their call is your raise.

Reminds me of that Stillman idiot on WSOP2005 who moved all in on a stop'n'go with 22 after the flop came 9QA. He called the other guy an moron for calling with AT when he was the moron.

Basically, both players played shite, he just ended with the better junk hand.

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I disagree. I seriously see no problem with villain's play here. Especially if he had a read on Hero as being a donk.

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Ok, as long as we are clear that the Hero is a donkey.

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Yes we do. To further illustrate:
Assume We are villain. Its six-max so we decide to raise to steal the blinds with a hand that likes to see flops if we're called. We're called by the button, so we can narrow button's range down a bit. On the Flop, we get Queen/X/X with us making mid pair. We lead at the flop, ready to probably dump the hand at this point unless we get raised. Hero just calls. Assuming Hero isn't totally retarded, we can now narrow down his range. Considering this is a suited board we cannot put hero on any good queen here, as he really needs to raise us on a board this dangerous. Q/8 and Q/3 are extremely unlikely given the cold-call preflop. QQ is also unlikely given no reraise pf. 8/8 and 3/3 are possible. The turn pairs the bottom card. We lead out again, and again are cold-called. Hero either just made a boat, or is still drawing for his flush. We now know pretty much for certain that he isn't playing a queen. The river is a rag. There is no hand we can concievably put hero on that it improves. We lead again for $20, and hero pushes, his entire stack. We must now evaluate the two possibilities based on our earlier reads, either hero has 3/3 or 8/8 and has us beat, or he has missed his flush draw. Given our read on Hero, we determine that there is a much greater than 50 percent chance that he has missed his flush draw, rather than having 8/8/ or 3/3. We are getting more than 3:1 on our money ($115 for a $411 pot). This is an easy call.

PoBoy321

11-28-2005, 05:06 PM

I'd call your river raise every day and twice on sunday.

Voltron87

11-28-2005, 05:31 PM

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We are getting more than 3:1 on our money ($115 for a $411 pot).

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no you arent, theres 110 of my extra money in the pot which he didnt cover

jman220

11-28-2005, 05:31 PM

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We are getting more than 3:1 on our money ($115 for a $411 pot).

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no you arent, theres 110 of my extra money in the pot which he didnt cover

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True, I missed that. Still, even at 2:1 on your money, this is an easy call. Do you see why?

Edit: While most of my responses in this forum are flippant and sarcastic, I am being serious here. Put yourself in villain's shoes here. Do you really play this any differently? Or is my sarcasm detector broken, and I have been out-sarcasticized?

2+2 wannabe

11-28-2005, 05:35 PM

NO STRATEGY IN THIS FORUM

Voltron87

11-28-2005, 05:50 PM

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We are getting more than 3:1 on our money ($115 for a $411 pot).

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no you arent, theres 110 of my extra money in the pot which he didnt cover

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True, I missed that. Still, even at 2:1 on your money, this is an easy call. Do you see why?

Edit: While most of my responses in this forum are flippant and sarcastic, I am being serious here. Put yourself in villain's shoes here. Do you really play this any differently? Or is my sarcasm detector broken, and I have been out-sarcasticized?

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oh I definitely see everyone's point, I should have played the hand differently, just based on my read of the opponent i thought wtf are you doing calling that.

wow, this forum is going to be amazing.