almost in the 300bb club

[beset7]

decided i wanted to learn to play lhe (mostly play NLHE/PLO/7stud) again. Only played live LHE up till now. This is mostly 2/4 and 3/6 which is way below my BR but still driving me nutso. That last dip wasn't tilt I swear to god.

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6736/lhedownswing8tu.jpg

-2.5BB/100 is harsh

Is this 6max or full ring? 6max has some harsh swings...

[Sooga]

Yea, I hear ya.... I've been playing for 2+ years now, and this is the first time I've been this close to a 300bb slide. It sucks.

http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~mamasuga/poker.jpg

[beset7]

Yeah. This is over the course of a few months. I just a play few hundred hands here and there and then review my sessions, reading SSHE and so forth. Just to try and make poker fun again (play 25-30k hands of my other games a month); learning a new game (i think LHE is undoubtedly the most sustainable poker variant being widely spread and I feel foolish not having played much of it). I didn't even realize how far down I was until I decided to pokergraph my LHE db this morning. WOH! I really suck. I'm sure a lot of this is variance since I've been playing 4 to 6 handed almost exclusively but it's clear I'm not a winning player at these limits yet, which is downright hard on the ego.

[imported_CaseClosed326]

I laugh at your girly downswing.
http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/8827/down9et.jpg

[PoBoy321]

Maybe you just suck.

[beset7]

Didn't I say that? Clever man. Comes to the bad beat, variance forum to [censored] on people. YOU ARE RUINING THIS FORUM FOR ME. and WTF is Borf anyways

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WOH! I really suck.

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[beset7]

wow. i stand-down.

[PoBoy321]

Calm down, dude. I was joking around.

And google is your friend. (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/01/10/who_is_borf.php)

[beset7]

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Calm down, dude. I was joking around.

And google is your friend. (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/01/10/who_is_borf.php)

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so was i. thanks for the link. borf reminds me of that andre the giant stencil tagger from a few years ago.

[DcifrThs]

given the stakes you play, the # of hands and that graph, its fiarly likely you are a marginal winner or breakeven or losing player at those stakes.

Barron

[Digs]

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given the stakes you play, the # of hands and that graph, its fiarly likely you are a marginal winner or breakeven or losing player at those stakes.

Barron

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It's like a 14k sample...

[imported_CaseClosed326]

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given the stakes you play, the # of hands and that graph, its fiarly likely you are a marginal winner or breakeven or losing player at those stakes.

Barron

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It's like a 14k sample...

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No he's right. I am like .59bb/100 over ~90k hands.

[NLSoldier]

Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8804/imsweetatpoker6kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Boris]

That's [censored] awesome.

[NLSoldier]

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That's [censored] awesome.

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[Obliky]

Thats the most beautiful yet disturbing graph i have ever seen...

[beset7]

did you hurt anyone from 58 to 70k?

[Boris]

Bro! what's with the mean face? That graph was easily the post of the day.

[NLSoldier]

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Bro! what's with the mean face? That graph was easily the post of the day.

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its been posted before, except that was before it had the upward trend at the end.

wait a sec, do you think its a joke?

[nebben]

Beset, roughly how many hours is 20,000 hands?

[Spicymoose]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8804/imsweetatpoker6kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Damn, that is nuts. What is your winrate from hand 3k to 34k?

Also, what prevented you from insanity when you lost... um.... $25k? I sure hope it wasn't more than $25k.

[beset7]

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Beset, roughly how many hours is 20,000 hands?

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Of my main game 6max NL? It's about 75ish hours 3-tabling. I try to play 20hours a week but sometimes I play more.

[NLSoldier]

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What is your winrate from hand 3k to 34k?


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quick math says it was about 3bb/100 i think.

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Also, what prevented you from insanity when you lost... um.... $25k? I sure hope it wasn't more than $25k.

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Nothing, and it was slightly more.

[Boris]

I meant your graph was awesome in terms of the magnitude of your swings. They are huge. Not awesome meaning that I'm happy you were running bad.

[NLSoldier]

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I meant your graph was awesome in terms of the magnitude of your swings. They are huge. Not awesome meaning that I'm happy you were running bad.

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i thought that you probably thought it was a fake graph as a joke. just wanted to make sure you were aware of the gravity of the situation!

[peritonlogon]

love your avatar

[AllIn3High]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8804/imsweetatpoker6kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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I /images/graemlins/heart.gif this forum.

[krishanleong]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

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FWIW 80K hands of breakeven poker was the longest breakeven streak I have even seen or heard of. However, I have officially regained the top spot for long breakeven streaks.

Krishan

[NLSoldier]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

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FWIW 80K hands of breakeven poker was the longest breakeven streak I have even seen or heard of. However, I have officially regained the top spot for long breakeven streaks.

Krishan

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im confused, are you saying you have mine beat now?

[krishanleong]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

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FWIW 80K hands of breakeven poker was the longest breakeven streak I have even seen or heard of. However, I have officially regained the top spot for long breakeven streaks.

Krishan

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im confused, are you saying you have mine beat now?

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For the breakeven streak yes. i'm at 97K. Only 600 BB downswing though.

Krishan

[augie00]

Kids these days, they still think 300BB is a big downswing.

[Mempho]

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That's [censored] awesome.

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[xCEO]

NLSoldiers hijacks all the 300bb downswing threads /images/graemlins/smile.gif:)

[imported_leader]

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Just wait till you hit the 800BB club. (Also known as the breakeven players club)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8804/imsweetatpoker6kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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I think I'm going to be sick /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[SteveL91]

NLSoldier,

Could you give a rough estimate of which blocks of hands were played at which limit? Do you attribute the massive downswing to poor play? Running bad? Not being a winner at the limit you were playing at? I'm just curious. I hope you don't mind.

Steve

[Entity]

http://www.geekpoker.net/images/wheeee.jpg

Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

Did you have a huge heater 10/20-20/40 up to 33k then move up to higher games?

[Justin A]

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NLSoldier,

Could you give a rough estimate of which blocks of hands were played at which limit? Do you attribute the massive downswing to poor play? Running bad? Not being a winner at the limit you were playing at? I'm just curious. I hope you don't mind.

Steve

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Party is rigged.

[NLSoldier]

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NLSoldier,

Could you give a rough estimate of which blocks of hands were played at which limit? Do you attribute the massive downswing to poor play? Running bad? Not being a winner at the limit you were playing at? I'm just curious. I hope you don't mind.

Steve

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first of all party is rigged.

the vast majority of the hands were at 20/40, where i felt i definately had a signifigant edge, due to the huge winnings at the begining of this graph and some winning previous to this graph. and also due to generally awful play by many of the players in those games. somewhere near the peak i played some 30/60 where i ran awful. id played some 30/60 previously and done mediocre, but this time i just couldnt win. i'd like to think my edge wasnt too much smaller than at 20/40 but i didnt feel like dealing with the emotions of the bigger stakes. one of my first sessions was when i made the post about playing vs the worst player ever where i basically got rivered out of 50BB in about 10 min. things didnt turn around and i soon went back to 20/40 expecting to pick up where i left off. but i just never stopped running bad. the majority of the downswing occurred at 20/40 and i eventually went back to 10/20. i didnt win there either until after about 10,000 hands or so. finally it turned around and most of the upswing at the end has been at 10/20. i planned to move back to 20/40 but havent played much at all lately due to school.

the worst part about hte downswing was the there were basically no winning sessions mixed in. every single session i would sit down and start losing right off the bat, my sessions became shorter and shorter as i got more fruserated with my lack of ever winning a pot. i would not wish that experience on anyone.

as far as how much was due to poor play vs poor luck its obviously very hard to say. i know there were some isolated incidents of tilt mixed into some of those awful sessions but i would say overall tilt accounts for a very small portion of the downswing. looking at my stats, it might be worth noting they the basically did not change from the initial upswing to the downswing to the second upswing. what did change were the numbers in the misc. tab of PT. stuff like how often i made premium hands and how often they held up was signifigantly different between the upswings and downswings.

woofta, that felt good to get off my chest. this forum rules!

PS-i know it had 50/100 and 1/2 on that graph but id say hands at those levels added up to like less than 1000 hands and i pretty much broke exactly even.

[Sponger15SB]

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Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

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HU and 3-handed? You know its possible then that you were -EV in these games? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Entity]

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Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

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HU and 3-handed? You know its possible then that you were -EV in these games? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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In these particular games I was very very very +EV. But when your W$SD is hovering around 35 for the first couple weeks of the month, well, there isn't a whole lot you can do. Over the course of November, I would have won more money had I never been dealt AA. All of my premiums were bringing in less than 1/2 of their averages.

Rob

[oreogod]

Holy [censored]. You guys need something like this:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/oreogod/loveluckbox_01173.jpg

I keep mine full of roofies, well actually I dont, but if I had some I would. Manufactured luck is better than no luck. (dont belive any of the crap I just said, I was going for, an effect that just didnt show it self. Oh well.)

[flair1239]

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http://www.geekpoker.net/images/wheeee.jpg

Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

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Graph says over 37-days. Was this (Partially/fully) offset by other hands you played during this period of time? (In other words I am assuming you played more than 7,000 hands in 37 days) and if so is it a true downswing? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[beset7]

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Graph says over 37-days. Was this (Partially/fully) offset by other hands you played during this period of time? (In other words I am assuming you played more than 7,000 hands in 37 days) and if so is it a true downswing? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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/images/graemlins/shocked.gif busted!

[Entity]

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Graph says over 37-days. Was this (Partially/fully) offset by other hands you played during this period of time? (In other words I am assuming you played more than 7,000 hands in 37 days) and if so is it a true downswing? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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/images/graemlins/shocked.gif busted!

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The graph isn't from 37 days, but the date range I plugged into PokerGrapher was. I think this is probably ~20 days worth of play though. I took some time off and was in Vegas for a week during that period of time (during which I dropped about 60 bets at 15/30), and was gone for a week during Thanksgiving too. I only logged 13k hands for last month. The month wasn't a complete disaster but from November 1st through about the 25th it was quite painful (I ran well in 15/30 so it wasn't quite a tragedy, but it was still my first losing month in a long while.

Rob

[gorie]

hi i suck at poker.

http://www.kingofthebop.com/12-09-05graph.jpg

i decided i am going to start winning , though.!

[ghostface]

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hi i suck at poker.

http://www.kingofthebop.com/12-09-05graph.jpg

i decided i am going to start winning , though.!

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Holy [censored]!

Losing player I'd say.

[gorie]

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Holy [censored]!

Losing player I'd say.

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wait, you mean it's not just a downswing ?. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

but yeah, like i said i suck. some how i always have over $1500 to play with though, and i'm only playing with bonus 'profits', so as long as i have that i keep playing.

i like to think there is hope. /images/graemlins/frown.gif !

[Catt]

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http://www.geekpoker.net/images/wheeee.jpg

Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

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I think I'm on pace to out-do you, but I have several thousand hands yet to play.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6991/graph29pg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Python49]

300bb down swings? ha! NL players can lose 300bbs (6 stacks) in no time. Nothing better than getting stacked twice and losing 100bbs in 5 minutes.

[ajm36]

Actually, this looks like an alright pattern to go long in stock. I would probably buy the breakout around 700 and hold a tight stop-loss just below. I think you should go long as well.

[Catt]

[ QUOTE ]
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http://www.geekpoker.net/images/wheeee.jpg

Soiler's is way worse than mine but I still think mine's impressive in terms of sheer quickness. Goddamned HU and 3-handed play.

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I think I'm on pace to out-do you, but I have several thousand hands yet to play.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6991/graph29pg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Still on pace!

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7621/graph35al.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Catt]

Only fair to post the good side of variance, too, I think.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6098/recovery1nc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)