15 turbo interesting JJ bubble hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB (t770)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t740)</font>
Button (t5045)</font>[/b]
SB (t6945)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
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The interesting part is that the BB has been sitting out the whole tourney but even if I fold every hand I still might not make the money because he currently has a little more chips than me. What is your move here? Do you push or try to fold into the money? I will post the results a little later.

Your chances at first and second are really low, and you're guaranteed third if you turn out autofold beacause the blinds hit him before they hit you.

Fold.

[tigerite]

You'd think so.. but I bubbled the last time someone was on 'away' because he won something like 5 all-ins in a row, including the one against me, which crippled me; this after some absolute arse called with AJo when said 'away' was on 200 at 200/400 and about to hit the blinds, when I had the muppet covered by 1.5k.. but we won't go there.

I think FWIW this is a push..

ok, here are the results. It's worth mentioning that after I busted 1 of the players said "what a terrible push with JJ" I still don't think it was that bad of a push

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB (t770)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t740)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button (t5045)</font>
SB (t6945)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t740</font>, Button calls t740, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t1705) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1705) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1705) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1705
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and fives).
Button has Kh Qh (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t1705. </font>

[tigerite]

If you can guarantee the BB will lose his hand by the time the blinds get to him, you can fold.. but I don't see any way you can guarantee that, and if he wins, you're screwed.. or what if he comes back.. so many things can go wrong here.

Bleh, fold reluctantly.

Even if you double through you're probably not going to make 2nd so guarantee yourself a payday.

[tigerite]

But folding doesn't guarantee him a payday, if he had 1k I would agree, but he's BARELY above the small stack here..

[HonchoOverload]

I am pushing the crap out of this hand and praying for a call. He had overs and he caught. Big deal. Plenty of times the button will call with A-little, small pair or KJ and you'll probably double through easily. Don't be too results oriented.

I agree with tigerite...I've seen p/fs have an insane run of all-ins so never bank on that working in your favor anyway.

I've never seen someone who sat out from the start make a heroic return. He will surely win the race if the guy doesn't return. Just fold it.

[HonchoOverload]

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I've never seen someone who sat out from the start make a heroic return. He will surely win the race if the guy doesn't return. Just fold it.

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He has maybe 10-12 hands left to make a stand. Hero has to choose one to go with, because he has a shorter stack than the p/fer. You think he's gonna see a better one than JJ to do so with in the next 10-12?

[Burno]

If you adjust your rate of play so that the big blind goes up after your BB and before his next turn in the BB, you can fold into third. In a turbo, with it's 5 minute blind levels and Stars generous time bank, it's quite possible, though perhaps unscrupulous.

What are you talking about? The sitter-outerer is going to blind off first.

[HonchoOverload]

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What are you talking about? The sitter-outerer is going to blind off first.

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In the original post, he says the sitter-outter has more chips than him!

[bawcerelli]

it's pretty damn close, but i'd have pushed.

[FlyWf]

This would be interesting if you slightly outchipped the shorty(like if you had 950), but as you aren't guaranteed a third by folding you gotta push this.