One day soon I will have the discipline to fold this river

[A_C_Slater]

MP is loose passive.


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB


Is this how I should respond to the turn donk bet? This was the first 3-bet by anyone at the table after 160+ hands and I still call the river.

[deception5]

Given that he's a loose passive I think I just call down here.

[Monty Cantsin]

Turn's fine, river's fine. Don't sweat it. You'll have plenty of spots of smart laydowns. Top two on the river heads up for one bet ain't the time to start.

/mc

[Spartan1983]

Your right, them are tough laydowns. But if you trust your read, then it was played like a classic flush draw. Other than the fact the villain didn't check/raise the turn.

[Spicymoose]

Played fine. Definetly don't fold this river. I expect to be shown a two pair hand, and occasionally trips. Most likely you are ahead. I might even cap the turn or raise the river.

[einbert]

Don't confuse discipline with stupidity.

[A_C_Slater]

I think the fact that I can't fold the river makes my turn raise wrong. But if I can fold this river it makes it right (if 3betted of course.)

Maybe I'm just being results oriented. But there was just no way this player had anything less than a flush 50 to 1 times let alone 12 to 1 here and I still called.

[Spicymoose]

My main question here is why you would doubt that is possible for villain to hold A2 or A3?

[A_C_Slater]

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My main question here is why you would doubt that is possible for villain to hold A2 or A3?

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He would check/raise with those, but he wouldn't put in a 3bet with 3 spades on board.

[xLukex]

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I think the fact that I can't fold the river makes my turn raise wrong. But if I can fold this river it makes it right (if 3betted of course.)

Maybe I'm just being results oriented. But there was just no way this player had anything less than a flush 50 to 1 times let alone 12 to 1 here and I still called.

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Bingo!

[Spicymoose]

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My main question here is why you would doubt that is possible for villain to hold A2 or A3?

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He would check/raise with those

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I doubt it, he is passive.

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but he wouldn't put in a 3bet with 3 spades on board.

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I doubt it, he is a fish.

[Spicymoose]

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My main question here is why you would doubt that is possible for villain to hold A2 or A3?

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He would check/raise with those

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I doubt it, he is passive.

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but he wouldn't put in a 3bet with 3 spades on board.

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Once he 3-bets, you have odds to call the turn. On the river, I think the pot is big enough, that you have to realize that he does sometimes 3-bet with A2 or A3. He is a fish, and doesn't know better. You only have to be good on the river very rarely.

[stillbr]

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Played fine. Definetly don't fold this river. I expect to be shown a two pair hand, and occasionally trips. Most likely you are ahead. I might even cap the turn or raise the river.

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can you say spewing?

[PokerSparky]

I don't expect to win very often, but I don't fold this river ever.

[Monty Cantsin]

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I think the fact that I can't fold the river makes my turn raise wrong.

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No it doesn't.


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there was just no way this player had anything less than a flush 50 to 1 times let alone 12 to 1 here and I still called.

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Bluffs and overplays happen rarely enough that you can't expect to accumulate evidence of them. A guy who rarely bluffs or makes a big overplay can look like a guy who never bluffs or makes a big overplay for a very long time.

You shouldn't be looking for pinpoint accuracy in your opponent reads. Hell, I don't even know what I'm going to do to that degree of accuracy.

StellarWind's method for responding to turn raises with strong (but not unbeatable) hands is a good one - you don't want to always call down but you don't want to fold too often. He uses the strength of his hand as one of the randomizing elements to decide. He folds hands on the lower end of the spectrum his opponent can expect him to have and calls down with the top end. That way your strategy remains mixed but you maximize your opportunities to pick off semi-bluffs and overplays.

It's good that you are pushing yourself to act on your reads, but this hand is too strong to waste a lot of time worrying about. Pay off, move on.

/mc