TT Flops Middle Set Line Check

[ninjaunderwear]

MP3 is TAG at 23.87/13.79/3.17 after 2,719 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero ???.

MP3 seems to like his hand as much as I like mine. After the pre-flop and flop cap, it becomes quite clear when MP3 raises on the turn that he has a made hand.

I'm well ahead of AA and KK but far behind QQ. With 12 hands I'm ahead of and 3 I'm behind, should I have 3-bet/called on the turn? The river?

[milesdyson]

just call down after the turn raise. there may be more combos of AA/KK, but with that Q/T out, you can expect him to call them down after you lead the turn after he caps the flop.

[TheMainEvent]

3.17 AF? Seems pretty aggressive...therefore, I 3-bet/call the turn and check/call river if he caps.

I probably would check/call the river here. The reason I like this is that the same number of bets go in whether you are ahead or behind. If you 3 bet the turn, 4 bets go in when you are behind and only 3 when you're ahead. Similarly if you lead the river 2 bets likely go in when you're behind but only one when you're ahead.

Given the preflop and flop action I think you're looking at QQ way to often for 3 betting the turn, especially given what I wrote above.

I'm probably in a small minority on this, but I cap every street if he wants to. A higher set gets flopped against you so rarely that I feel like if it happens, then I"m just meant to lose a lot of money on that hand and I just shrug it off.

With an AF of 3.17, that's very high and to get an AF that high, that means you are pushing very hard w/ top pair type hands on a regular basis. He could easily be pushing you that hard w/ AQ. I push hard here.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

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I'm probably in a small minority on this, but I cap every street if he wants to. A higher set gets flopped against you so rarely that I feel like if it happens, then I"m just meant to lose a lot of money on that hand and I just shrug it off.

With an AF of 3.17, that's very high and to get an AF that high, that means you are pushing very hard w/ top pair type hands on a regular basis. He could easily be pushing you that hard w/ AQ. I push hard here.

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How often to worse hands with preflop action like that cap every street with you?

I 3 bet the turn and call down after that.

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I'm probably in a small minority on this, but I cap every street if he wants to. A higher set gets flopped against you so rarely that I feel like if it happens, then I"m just meant to lose a lot of money on that hand and I just shrug it off.

With an AF of 3.17, that's very high and to get an AF that high, that means you are pushing very hard w/ top pair type hands on a regular basis. He could easily be pushing you that hard w/ AQ. I push hard here.

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Villian may be aggressive but I would need a read of "big huge aggressive maniac retard" to cap every street here.

[@bsolute_luck]

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I 3 bet the turn and call down after that.

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i do this very easily and happily.

[checkmate36]

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I'm probably in a small minority on this, but I cap every street if he wants to. A higher set gets flopped against you so rarely that I feel like if it happens, then I"m just meant to lose a lot of money on that hand and I just shrug it off.

With an AF of 3.17, that's very high and to get an AF that high, that means you are pushing very hard w/ top pair type hands on a regular basis. He could easily be pushing you that hard w/ AQ. I push hard here.

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Villian may be aggressive but I would need a read of "big huge aggressive maniac retard" to cap every street here.

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This is an area where I tend to struggle. I would cap every street and not worry about a better set. If Im wrong I drop a boatload of loot. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I 3 bet the turn and call down after that.

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i do this very easily and happily.

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I'm check/calling the river.
But why do you cap pre-flop??

AF of 3.17 is getting about as close to "big huge aggressive retard maniac" as you can get. I push really hard w/ my hands, but mmy postflop AF is still only at 2.3 or so. To get to 3.17 means you are raising and re-raising every piece of a flop.

[ckmo]

I'm leaning towards backing down here like some others have said. Since you capped pf assuming you haven't been doing anything crazy pf before that, I would assume he puts you mainly on AA/KK/AKs. His aggression on the flop and turn tells me that most likely he can beat these hands unless he is pumping a strong draw, maybe AKd. We know he doesn't have pocket 10s and I doubt he would 3-bet with 2s so I'm probably slowing down here. I know that might be giving him too much credit, but I think that would be my reasoning.

[BatsShadow]

grunch:

Given your line, I would have played AA the same way as villain. I say you should 3-bet the turn. If he caps, you can just call the river.