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11-26-2005, 08:21 PM

No reads at all. Was new at the table. Should I bet the river or is a check/call good enough here? If I get raised I cant see myself winning the hand so with a check/call I only lose 1 bet and its a pretty huge pot.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0,50.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (19 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button 3-bets, SB calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (20.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

MrWookie47

11-26-2005, 08:35 PM

I really want to say "bet the river," but with 3 other players, I don't think I can. nh.

midwestkc

11-26-2005, 08:36 PM

brutal river...I think you did fine...I like that you slowed down there...nh

bozlax

11-26-2005, 09:13 PM

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I really want to say "bet the river," but with 3 other players, I don't think I can. nh.

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Are you calling if it's one back to you? If so, doesn't that warrant a bet/fold? (I'm not advocating for bet/fold, just asking...I hate bet/fold.)

Arnfinn Madsen

11-26-2005, 09:34 PM

Looked through all streets and think you played all perfectly up until the river. This river is a tough one, but since all of the 3 players are unlikely to have a king given the flop action and they all seem interested to go to showdown (except maybe one player with a missed flush draw), I would bet this river. You can't fold though to a raise (the pot is so huge that the chance some dude tries to bluffraise, warrants a call), so it is a bet/call IMO.

11-26-2005, 11:13 PM

I don't like bet/folding on a 4 broadway board in a pot this big b/c someone is going to be stupid and raise two pair often enough that I think we have to call. That being said, I also don't like bet/calling b/c I don't want two bets going in either. So I think you played it fine. I would call one bet but fold if two back to me here.

11-27-2005, 10:28 PM

The results

UTG has 7h 6h (high card, ace).
Button has 2d Ah (one pair, aces).
SB has Ac 6c (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qs Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 20.50 BB.

crownjules

11-27-2005, 10:44 PM

I'm value betting that river all day long, and tomorrow.

It would be a shame to see it get checked through when no Kings turns up. You'll be winning this pot more often than not, so I think it would be more profitable in the long run to bet here than not.

EDIT: And to answer the question pre-emptively, yes I am calling one back to me (but not 2). JT just made two pair on that river, plus numerous other "favorite" hands.

detruncate

11-28-2005, 07:35 AM

I bet/call the river. There isn't any particular resaon to suspect that anyone has a K and we (obviously) beat the myriad 2-pair possibilities.

11-28-2005, 12:22 PM

My first instinct here is to bet out on the river, but I've also been playing too aggressively lately. I think a check in this situation is ok because AK is really the only hand you have to fear and the AK fits how the Button played exactly. I call any bets into me on the river w/ this hand and this size pot.

Salva135

11-28-2005, 12:36 PM

I think this could go either way. The pot is big enough that we will get called by worse hands here, but the threat of a raise or check-raise is pretty high. Against two opponents or fewer I'm value-betting, but against three opponents it's a tough play.

BoogerFace

11-28-2005, 12:38 PM

*grunch*

I think this is a WA/WB and check/call on the river is fine.

Buckmulligan

11-28-2005, 02:00 PM

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Are you calling if it's one back to you? If so, doesn't that warrant a bet/fold? (I'm not advocating for bet/fold, just asking...I hate bet/fold.)

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bet/fold isn't a bad option from the standpoint that it's a pretty easy fold. However, I like check/call because it may get a two pair to bet the river.

istewart

11-28-2005, 02:09 PM

I bet the river and expect to win fairly frequently. When you check/call you will not win nearly as frequently. Nobody is bluffing a missed flushed draw in a 4-way pot. What am I missing?

11-28-2005, 04:33 PM

hard to believe that no one in the hand at the river had a King!

checking is okay, don't punish yourself /images/graemlins/smile.gif