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wheelz

11-26-2005, 03:44 AM

villain is 50.63/1.72/0.78 after 90 hands. this is the 3rd time i've open raised with him in the BB, he's called then donked the flop and kept betting/raising every time, and i haven't seen a showdown yet. too thin or what?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises

Surfbullet

11-26-2005, 03:46 AM

I like it. This type of player wont fold a pair unless you shoot him and take his cards and muck them yourself. I also think we've got an easy fold to a 3bet.

Sometimes I raise the turn though, it depends on what I want to accomplish.

Surf

Dave Mac

11-26-2005, 03:50 AM

seems good, obv. if he 3 bets fold. i would give him something like 8T, 8Qs.
dave

aba20

11-26-2005, 04:00 AM

I don't like it. I would raise the turn but if I didn't do that I would just call the river. What is he calling a river raise with that you beat?

mscags

11-26-2005, 04:27 AM

I think this is a good way to deal with opponents like this. Easy fold to a three bet IMO unless this guy is a total wack job.

wheelz

11-26-2005, 04:28 AM

8x, 3x, maybe a PP, who knows.... the guy is bad.

i waited till the river because i wanted to let him fire one more bullet if he didn't have a hand, and i felt much safer folding to a river 3-bet than a turn one.

baronzeus

11-26-2005, 07:42 AM

i raise the turn here and call down a 3bet here. against most people i muck the flop but im not sure. your line is fine too, but on such a drawless flop theres no reason to wait till the river

cartman

11-28-2005, 04:41 PM

This is perfect in my opinion. I think taking lines like this is the perfect counter to a chronic donk bettor.

Cartman

sthief09

11-28-2005, 04:45 PM

i think the river goes check-bet-call too much to give up on the immediate value in raising the turn. if hes bluffing he might not bluff the river again anyway.

11-29-2005, 03:52 AM

I'm with the "raise the turn" crew. You'll still get called down by any 8, 3 or PP. On top of that, you get the value in from any air hands that turned a draw (i.e. TJ, QJ, QT, 2 clubs) that might just c/f on the river. If this guy's a chronic donker, those hands aren't beyond the realm of possiblity.

11-29-2005, 04:55 AM

Agreed with raising the turn (if anywhere at all). A lot of low PFA opponents do a: "I flopped middle pair, he probably has nothing so I bet. He called, so I bet again. He called twice. Maybe he has the K, which would be scary, so I'd better check now."

wheelz

11-29-2005, 11:56 AM

this guy doesn't seem to slow down at all, so i think i like my river raise. he's seen me fold to his river bet two times out of two attempts already... i just can't see him not firing the third barrel.