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Schizo
11-25-2005, 07:26 PM
Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero....

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero's plan?
imported_leader
11-25-2005, 07:36 PM
Both are call and fold UI.
Schizo
11-25-2005, 07:41 PM
Why is the second one call and fold turn UI? We need 8.6:1 to draw to a second pair and we aren't getting it.
imported_leader
11-25-2005, 07:47 PM
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imported_leader
11-25-2005, 07:48 PM
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Why is the second one call and fold turn UI? We need 8.6:1 to draw to a second pair and we aren't getting it.

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I think we have enough implied odds

Edit: we have a BDFD too and were getting 7-1. I think it's an easy call.
milesdyson
11-25-2005, 07:50 PM
he's assuming he has exactly 5 outs on the flop in the second hand, where he is getting 7:1. he is wondering why he should call getting 7:1 when he needs 8.6:1 to draw to 5 outs (it's actually 8.4:1).

edit: you edited. lol. yeah we have some implied odds and we have a backdoor flush draw.
imported_leader
11-25-2005, 07:51 PM
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he's assuming he has exactly 5 outs on the flop in the second hand, where he is getting 7:1. he is wondering why he should call getting 7:1 when he needs 8.6:1 to draw to 5 outs (it's actually 8.4:1).

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Yeah, I'm illiterate /images/graemlins/blush.gif