03-10-2002, 05:15 PM
Been playing LLHE for about three months now. Realized very early that playing the "right" starting hands, leading all the way to the river only to lose to a runner-runner flush (or whatever, sevens full of threes that UTG shows down) is the nature of the beast. Still am walking the line between whining about it and gritting my teeth and moving on... but that sounds like a personal problem :-). Anyway...
Took an absolute pounding over the last couple days, and it left me rattled. Decided to play stud for a change of pace, lost a lot of money, but that's b/c I wasn't prepared. Not enough experience with the game. That's my fault. Here's where I need your thoughts. I decided to go back to HE for my last session before heading home. Maybe shouldn't have been playing at all, considering I was pretty dazed and confused over my losses at stud, but played anyway. I lost a rack (just white, thankfully...) in two hours, got up and walked away. Two hands stuck out on the drive home. Please critique, and help me figure out if they were bad beats or bad play:
First one: in SB with 58c, decided to call since there were three limpers and didn't expect a raise from the BB (he didn't). Flop comes 5 8 3, two diamonds, one heart. I bet out, a couple callers, button raises, I call, everyone else folds. Turn is another rag, black. I check-call. River is an overcard, but no diamond, so I check-call again. Button shows trip threes. Please rate my play.
Next one: late position with AQo. Early position raise, call from MP (very loose-aggressive), I call, BB calls. Flop comes A Q rag, two spades. BB checks to the raiser, he bets out, MP calls, I raise, BB folds, EP reraises, MP calls, I call. Turn comes a K, no spade. EP bets out, MP raises, I go all in (this was the end of my stack), those two continue raising/reraising. I don't even remember what the river was, except that it wasn't a spade. Help here, please. When the K hits and MP reraises instead of calls, I'm thinking AK, a set or J10. Any of these I've got two outs, A or Q depending. I decide I might as well "go broke" here if I'm going to at all, thus the call. Anyway, EP shows down a set of Queens, MP mucks (so no KK or J10), I turn over my AQ, say "nice hand, good luck everyone," and I'm gone. Final note on EP: this is a guy who earlier had bet *into me* all the way to the river with pocket sevens while there was an Ace and two clubs on board from the flop. I had AJc and took the pot. Final note on the hand: if it were up to me, there'd be no bad-beat jackpots, but there are. On the turn, with an A K Q showing, I'm then getting 357-1 for my call b/c of the potential jackpot. Is that a legitimate factor in calling or not?
I posted my first question here a couple weeks ago, and got lots of great input (which I was able to use to drag one of the few pots I *won* in this particular session :-). Please give me your thoughts on these two hands, and lemme know whether I could have saved a bet or two, or whether this is all part of the game... I need to know whether to hit the books again or just take some deep breaths and go on. I wasn't making a big bet an hour yet, but at least I was up for the year before this (despite the whining...)
Thanks again.
Took an absolute pounding over the last couple days, and it left me rattled. Decided to play stud for a change of pace, lost a lot of money, but that's b/c I wasn't prepared. Not enough experience with the game. That's my fault. Here's where I need your thoughts. I decided to go back to HE for my last session before heading home. Maybe shouldn't have been playing at all, considering I was pretty dazed and confused over my losses at stud, but played anyway. I lost a rack (just white, thankfully...) in two hours, got up and walked away. Two hands stuck out on the drive home. Please critique, and help me figure out if they were bad beats or bad play:
First one: in SB with 58c, decided to call since there were three limpers and didn't expect a raise from the BB (he didn't). Flop comes 5 8 3, two diamonds, one heart. I bet out, a couple callers, button raises, I call, everyone else folds. Turn is another rag, black. I check-call. River is an overcard, but no diamond, so I check-call again. Button shows trip threes. Please rate my play.
Next one: late position with AQo. Early position raise, call from MP (very loose-aggressive), I call, BB calls. Flop comes A Q rag, two spades. BB checks to the raiser, he bets out, MP calls, I raise, BB folds, EP reraises, MP calls, I call. Turn comes a K, no spade. EP bets out, MP raises, I go all in (this was the end of my stack), those two continue raising/reraising. I don't even remember what the river was, except that it wasn't a spade. Help here, please. When the K hits and MP reraises instead of calls, I'm thinking AK, a set or J10. Any of these I've got two outs, A or Q depending. I decide I might as well "go broke" here if I'm going to at all, thus the call. Anyway, EP shows down a set of Queens, MP mucks (so no KK or J10), I turn over my AQ, say "nice hand, good luck everyone," and I'm gone. Final note on EP: this is a guy who earlier had bet *into me* all the way to the river with pocket sevens while there was an Ace and two clubs on board from the flop. I had AJc and took the pot. Final note on the hand: if it were up to me, there'd be no bad-beat jackpots, but there are. On the turn, with an A K Q showing, I'm then getting 357-1 for my call b/c of the potential jackpot. Is that a legitimate factor in calling or not?
I posted my first question here a couple weeks ago, and got lots of great input (which I was able to use to drag one of the few pots I *won* in this particular session :-). Please give me your thoughts on these two hands, and lemme know whether I could have saved a bet or two, or whether this is all part of the game... I need to know whether to hit the books again or just take some deep breaths and go on. I wasn't making a big bet an hour yet, but at least I was up for the year before this (despite the whining...)
Thanks again.