11-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Playing in the 10/25 no max buy-in at Foxwoods in the wee hours of Thanksgiving morning. Table is 6 handed at this point. Villain in question is TAG, not very tricky, but makes absurdly huge raises with either the nuts or top pair. For instance, on a preflop raised, four-way flop checked through 48Q5 rainbow board, he raised a $200 bet into a $650 pot on the turn to $1500 with just QJ (and lost to AQ and 55). But on an A25 board in a similar type hand, he over-raised AK's pot-sized bet and showed down 34hearts.
Stacks are deep, I'm covering everyone with around 9k, but the average stack size was around 4k, with maybe one short stack in there somewhere.
Hand:
I'm in the BB with Kh6h. Mad Russian straddles, MP min-raises to $100 (means nothing), Villain calls. I call, as does the straddle.
Flop: ($410)
KcJh8h
I lead out for $200. Russian and MP folds, Villain raises to $1100, leaving him about $2200 or so behind. I call. I think calling is better than pushing because I'm either way behind of KJ, K8, J8, or a set, and if I push I scare him away if he just has top pair. My problem here is I have no plan for the turn. I know I can check-raise any heart because if he does have a monster, he's the kind of player who will bet it regardless. But what do I do if it's a blank turn? Lead and call a raise (basically an all-in?) Check/fold if he bets big? If I'm not going to go all the way with the hand, should I have just folded to the flop-raise?
Turn ($2610): 2h
I check, he checks behind after some thinking. Now I know he just has top pair.
River ($2610):3h
Terrific. If he has AhK I'm losing. I lead for $800, with no real plan if he pushes, although I'm pretty sure he would have bet the turn again if he had the Ace of hearts.
The way the hand played out didn't sit well with me. Yes, if he has a monster he pays me off when I hit, so I'm getting implied odds. But it seems like there are about 6-8 combinations of monster hands for that flop (88, JJ, J8, K8), and 6 or so reasonable combinations of TP that he would raise the flop with. I KNOW he wouldn't raise with a draw on the flop. So 1/2 the time I'm getting implied odds to stack him when a heart falls and 1/2 the time he gets off easy if he just has top pair. But if a heart doesn't fall, he probably bets the turn with either set of hands and I'm stuck in a bloated pot with 9 outs (Excluding the 6 or K if he has J8). So barring the good results that a heart turned, should I have just folded to the flop raise?
Yes, I realize folding preflop and not playing Kh6h OOP would have made things infinitely easier, but I called, so deal with it. :-)
Edit: Fixed the river, it was the 3 of hearts. Although if we were playing with a fixed deck, and there were two 6 of hearts, this hand would be even more interesting.
Stacks are deep, I'm covering everyone with around 9k, but the average stack size was around 4k, with maybe one short stack in there somewhere.
Hand:
I'm in the BB with Kh6h. Mad Russian straddles, MP min-raises to $100 (means nothing), Villain calls. I call, as does the straddle.
Flop: ($410)
KcJh8h
I lead out for $200. Russian and MP folds, Villain raises to $1100, leaving him about $2200 or so behind. I call. I think calling is better than pushing because I'm either way behind of KJ, K8, J8, or a set, and if I push I scare him away if he just has top pair. My problem here is I have no plan for the turn. I know I can check-raise any heart because if he does have a monster, he's the kind of player who will bet it regardless. But what do I do if it's a blank turn? Lead and call a raise (basically an all-in?) Check/fold if he bets big? If I'm not going to go all the way with the hand, should I have just folded to the flop-raise?
Turn ($2610): 2h
I check, he checks behind after some thinking. Now I know he just has top pair.
River ($2610):3h
Terrific. If he has AhK I'm losing. I lead for $800, with no real plan if he pushes, although I'm pretty sure he would have bet the turn again if he had the Ace of hearts.
The way the hand played out didn't sit well with me. Yes, if he has a monster he pays me off when I hit, so I'm getting implied odds. But it seems like there are about 6-8 combinations of monster hands for that flop (88, JJ, J8, K8), and 6 or so reasonable combinations of TP that he would raise the flop with. I KNOW he wouldn't raise with a draw on the flop. So 1/2 the time I'm getting implied odds to stack him when a heart falls and 1/2 the time he gets off easy if he just has top pair. But if a heart doesn't fall, he probably bets the turn with either set of hands and I'm stuck in a bloated pot with 9 outs (Excluding the 6 or K if he has J8). So barring the good results that a heart turned, should I have just folded to the flop raise?
Yes, I realize folding preflop and not playing Kh6h OOP would have made things infinitely easier, but I called, so deal with it. :-)
Edit: Fixed the river, it was the 3 of hearts. Although if we were playing with a fixed deck, and there were two 6 of hearts, this hand would be even more interesting.