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Gyre
11-25-2005, 09:24 AM
Read on HighOnPok: fish, loose/passiv.

Can i fold this after his turn raise? The pott is quite big.

Sorry for the layout.


Game #1401584663: Hold'em FL ($2/$4) - 2005/11/23 - 18:15:20 (ET)
Table "Otello" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Luckynr7 ($223 in chips)
Seat 2: jinkse ($74.24 in chips)
Seat 3: poreznik ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Rikard ($169.75 in chips)
Seat 5: HighOnPok ($130.38 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($168.25 in chips)
HighOnPok: posts small blind $1
Hero: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [As Qd]
Luckynr7: folds
jinkse: calls $2
poreznik: calls $2
Rikard: folds
HighOnPok: calls $1
Hero: raises $2
jinkse: calls $2
poreznik: calls $2
HighOnPok: calls $2
----- FLOP ----- [Ah 4s 3d]
HighOnPok: checks
Hero: bets $2
jinkse: calls $2
poreznik: calls $2
HighOnPok: calls $2
----- TURN ----- [Ah 4s 3d][8d]
HighOnPok: checks
Hero: bets $4
jinkse: calls $4
poreznik: calls $4
HighOnPok: raises $8
Hero: ?
11-25-2005, 09:27 AM
You should edit your post. Its rude to reveal names.
Spartan1983
11-25-2005, 09:46 AM
2 options. 1.Call turn raise, check/fold river.

2. 3bet to get rid of the other 2, but you still might get capped and you have to act 1st on the river.

I go with call turn, check/fold river UI.
stigmata
11-25-2005, 09:56 AM
[ QUOTE ]

I go with call turn, check/fold river UI.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we can safely say villain has you beaten. You have potential hidden outs against 2 pair, if you hit A/Q or the board pairs on the river I would call one more bet.

Not sure if this is mathematically correct though, but you can work it out. If we assume that he completes with any 2 and will check-raise turn with any 2-pair or set:

E.g.

88 - 3 combos, 0 outs
A8 - 6 combos, 3 outs
34 - 9 combos, 8 outs

etc....

Collectively I'm sure you have enough outs to see the river and fold UI
11-25-2005, 10:10 AM
i would call turn and river, if he is fishy i dont know why he couldnt be betting AT or flush draw
stigmata
11-25-2005, 10:12 AM
I just don't think a loose-passive 2/4 player EVER check-raises the whole field on the turn with less than 2 pair. If I think he will do this with AT then call river.