continually running on empty

yeah it's me again /images/graemlins/blush.gif

the bubble play is killing me. absolutely killing me. i've looked at both the major SNG threads with all their links, but it's not helping. i finish 3rd 7x the amount i'm finishing first, and i'm ITM from bubble 69%. here's the effect on my ROI (i'm finally a losing player even with the rake!):

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~jack0346/ROI%20and%20ITM%20Graph.png

i know it's early, but damnit something is really going wrong and i really need help with my supposed lack of aggression. i'd rather fix it now then later. i haven't scanned through them all, but i'd estimate at least 90% of the time there are 4 or 5 left i'm the short stack, and usually a major one. like last game with 4 left i had about 400 chips. it's either bust out on the bubble or somehow make it to third and be blinded out on the first hand.

the guides here say to play tight early. i think this is just wrong. i have done this only to see my chips dwindle to the point where my only chance of survival is a very fast game so the blinds don't catch up.

another problem is once i finally get a pushing hand, i have almost no FE. like last game, i had 400 and others had about 2000/2400/3200 or so. who isn't going to call that push? even if there's only one major stack, he will almost always take the initiative and try to bust me right there to get ITM for sure.

i'm just very frustrated because i have really looked over bubble play material on this site but haven't found it very helpful. i have tried to follow AleoMagus' guide but i just think it's too tight.

i am looking for any sort of advice, or maybe if you were kind enough to look at some full hand histories to see how i'm playing. thanks.

alternatively, if anyone has some full hand histories of their own (where they didn't get lots of good hands of course) that they could show me, i'd appreciate it. i'm hoping this will help me see the errors i'm making.

i think i should take a break as well until i really develop a better plan.

[tigerite]

[ QUOTE ]
the guides here say to play tight early. i think this is just wrong. i have done this only to see my chips dwindle to the point where my only chance of survival is a very fast game so the blinds don't catch up.

[/ QUOTE ]

No the guides are not wrong, you just don't have the patience to play that way. You need to learn it. Once you do results will improve.

i can't imagine that i'm being TOO impatient. isn't my stack size an indictation i'm being too patient, if anything? that i'm waiting too long to make my move? because i definitely play very tight early (once i even put it on away for a few minutes to fold me every time).

i can show you hands where i was in the action from a game if you'd like.

It's hard to play too tightly in the early stages of an $11 SnG. In most spots, AJ sucks and AQ is marginal.

[tigerite]

No, I think what you are doing is probably not pushing enough from the button and SB when you have 6-7BB or whatever.. and not using first in vigorish enough. Without hand histories though, I can't tell. But heck you've only played 60. You could just be getting cold carded etc.

[Insty]

[ QUOTE ]
once i even put it on away for a few minutes to fold me every time

[/ QUOTE ]

That's not playing tight, that's not playing.

i'm kind of making a joke.

anyway, let me post something just because i can, from another one of my bubble finishes. here's where i was involved (this was actually a very fast game, 5 handed at 15/30). one failed steal, one push and i'm out:

NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:35:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $2865 )
Seat 3: EarlyBird123 ( $955 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $1960 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $710 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Jh Ah ]
EarlyBird123 folds.
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k raises [125].
niceguy3088 calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 5d, Kd ]
heret1k bets [50].
niceguy3088 calls [50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
heret1k bets [50].
niceguy3088 is all-In [2665]
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 shows [ 7d, Qh ] a pair of fives.

***** Hand History for Game 3086989928 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 24, 05:39:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4120 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1385 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2185 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $310 )
Trny:17680641 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 7h 8h ]
heret1k is all-In [310]

standard game, ended up on the bubble again but i was more aggro this game and was up for a while:

Seat 5: dollar45 ( $125 )
Seat 10: heret1k ( $730 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1110 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $990 )
Seat 3: ifidawon ( $2255 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $1955 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $835 )
Trny:17675269 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3s 3h ]
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k raises [100].
rarebel folds.
ifidawon calls [100].
GobBluth72 folds.
dollar45 is all-In [95]
heret1k calls [25].
ifidawon calls [25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Js, 6c ]
heret1k checks.
ifidawon checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
heret1k bets [30].
ifidawon calls [30].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
heret1k checks.
ifidawon checks.

Seat 5: dollar45 ( $375 )
Seat 10: heret1k ( $575 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $700 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1770 )
Seat 3: ifidawon ( $1850 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $1895 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $835 )
Trny:17675269 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Td Tc ]
heret1k is all-In [575]
rarebel folds.
ifidawon folds.
GobBluth72 folds.
dollar45 folds.
lostin111 calls [550].
bloomers43 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Qh, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
heret1k shows [ Td, Tc ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
lostin111 shows [ Kd, As ] two pairs, sevens and fives.

NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 24, 00:47:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 10: heret1k ( $900 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $925 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $735 )
Seat 3: ifidawon ( $575 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $2870 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $1995 )
Trny:17675269 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 6s 6c ]
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k is all-In [900]
rarebel folds.
ifidawon is all-In [475]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 2h, 4d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
ifidawon shows [ Ks, Js ] a pair of tens.
heret1k shows [ 6s, 6c ] two pairs, tens and sixes.

Seat 10: heret1k ( $1125 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $425 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $885 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $1575 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3990 )
Trny:17675269 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Kc 5c ]
rarebel calls [150].
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 calls [75].
heret1k checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Ts, 2c ]
bloomers43 checks.
heret1k checks.
rarebel checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
bloomers43 checks.
heret1k bets [150].
rarebel folds.
bloomers43 folds.

note how my stack has fallen:

NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, November 24, 00:57:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 10: heret1k ( $675 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1300 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1935 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $4090 )
Trny:17675269 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Ac 9h ]
heret1k is all-In [675]
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 calls [375].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 6h, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
heret1k shows [ Ac, 9h ] two pairs, tens and twos.
bloomers43 shows [ Td, Kh ] a full house, Tens full of twos.

[tigerite]

Yuck. First hand, push preflop, or if you are going to raise, and get that flop, then push it. He won't have a K the vast majority of the time. You played this very weakly.

2nd. No no no. How did you get to 3BB and pushing UTG? I don't like this. I would actually probably fold here. Your hand isn't bad and has good suckout potential, but by folding, you increase the chances of DonnyOnions mixing it up with a big stack, and well, who knows what your BB hand will be.. you might even get a freebie.. the big stacks may want the bubble to keep going, and not to mention (for some reason) people fold so many times when they think the short stack will call with a large range, like it matters mathematically.

i was down to 465 after losing that first hand and then got blinded down to 3BB.

would you be willing to help me over AIM during a sng sometime?

Well I hate to be the one to break the bad news but you really butchered the crap out of this one. Betting 50 into a 250 pot on the flop is ridiculous and betting another 50 on the turn is even worse. You are asking to be bluffed out of the pot which is exactly what happened.

You're playing against a big stack, how did he get so big? If you had an answer for that you might have had an idea that he's a turkey and called him on the turn, then we could be patting you on the back for brilliantly inducing a bluff from a donkey. I don't know how many tables you play at once but if you are losing and don't have reads on your opponents maybe it's time to back to square one and learn how to win playing 1-2 tables.

As for the last hand you have no fold equity left so I think waiting for the next hand is better. I know you're running out of time but 8 high kind of sucks.

yeah i only do 2 at a time at once /images/graemlins/frown.gif

another big problem is pocket pairs early, i usually limp early but then i just get raised or i miss the flop. in late position with no callers i raise 3x BB for a steal. not sure if this is best.

man some of those are pretty horrendous plays...the kind where if i'm playing against i go wtf?

i think some of the coin flips were just unlucky, but with the low sngs you need to pushbot a lot more when you have position, your waiting too long for the cards later in the tournament.

usually im super tight beginning, super aggressive in the middle, and then the end depends on reads. but betting 50 into that pot? or even the 150 minbet, you need to be more agressive or check/fold

yeah, i get that...

any thoughts on the second game? i know the first hand i played poorly.

Post some hands, I'm sure you'll get lots of help.

If you're playing 2 at once you should really have had a read on your opponent in that AJ hand and with a read you would have hopefully played it much better though frankly even without a read you shouldn't play that badly.

[tigerite]

[ QUOTE ]
standard game, ended up on the bubble again but i was more aggro this game and was up for a while:

Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3s 3h ]
heret1k raises [100].


[/ QUOTE ]

Don't like it at all, just limp, or even fold. I'd probably fold.

[ QUOTE ]

Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Td Tc ]
heret1k is all-In [575]


[/ QUOTE ]

Standard, and a good play.

[ QUOTE ]

Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 6s 6c ]
heret1k is all-In [900] (from button)


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, this is also fine.

[ QUOTE ]

Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Kc 5c ]
rarebel calls [150].
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 calls [75].
heret1k checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Ts, 2c ]
bloomers43 checks.
heret1k checks.
rarebel checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
bloomers43 checks.
heret1k bets [150].


[/ QUOTE ]

I think you played that quite well. Maybe bet a little more, though. Say 250.

[ QUOTE ]

Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Ac 9h ]
heret1k is all-In [675]


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, also standard. Not sure how you got so low though.

yeah i figured that 33 was awful. thanks. what if the 66 was in earlier position? limp or fold? raise?

as to how i got so low, here are the hands after winning the pot in the second to last hand, giving me 1425:

65
96
98s
83
52
K9s
K4
T3
J9
32s
Q7

all folded, putting me at 675. should i have bet with any of these?

[tigerite]

Hard to tell without situations i.e. what position you were in, if anyone had raised/limped before you, etc.

ok i'll be more specific. could have tried for steals, but still not sure which hands to try it with. just anything?

#Game No : 3085995095
***** Hand History for Game 3085995095 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:53:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1325 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $425 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $885 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $1525 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3840 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 6h 5s ]
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
rarebel calls [100].
GobBluth72 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Jd, 5h ]
rarebel checks.
GobBluth72 is all-In [685]
rarebel calls [685].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
rarebel shows [ Ah, 9s ] high card ace.
GobBluth72 shows [ Jc, 7h ] a pair of jacks.
GobBluth72 wins 1770 chips from the main pot with a pair of jacks.
Game #3085998554 starts.

#Game No : 3085998554
***** Hand History for Game 3085998554 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:54:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1325 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $425 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1770 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $640 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3840 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 9s 6d ]
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 raises [300].
lostin111 is all-In [225]
GobBluth72 calls [25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 5h, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
GobBluth72 shows [ Kh, Kd ] two pairs, kings and fives.
lostin111 shows [ Jh, 5d ] three of a kind, fives.
lostin111 wins 850 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, fives.
Game #3086000598 starts.

#Game No : 3086000598
***** Hand History for Game 3086000598 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:54:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1325 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $850 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $640 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3840 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 9h 8h ]
heret1k: yeah...
heret1k folds.
rarebel calls [200].
GobBluth72 folds.
heret1k: called with J5..
lostin111 calls [100].
bloomers43 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Th, 4h ]
lostin111 bets [200].
bloomers43 raises [400].
rarebel folds.
lostin111 is all-In [450]
bloomers43 calls [250].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
bloomers43 shows [ 2c, Qh ] a pair of queens.
lostin111 shows [ Ah, 2h ] a flush, ace high.
lostin111 wins 1900 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
Game #3086004921 starts.

#Game No : 3086004921
***** Hand History for Game 3086004921 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:55:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1325 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1900 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $440 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $2990 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3c 8c ]
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 calls [200].
bloomers43 calls [100].
heret1k checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 6h, Jc ]
bloomers43 bets [900].
heret1k folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 does not show cards.
bloomers43 wins 1500 chips
Game #3086007641 starts.

#Game No : 3086007641
***** Hand History for Game 3086007641 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:55:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1125 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1700 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $440 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3390 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 2s 5s ]
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
rarebel does not show cards.
rarebel wins 300 chips
Game #3086008428 starts.

#Game No : 3086008428
***** Hand History for Game 3086008428 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:55:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1025 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1700 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $540 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3390 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Ks 9s ]
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
rarebel calls [100].
GobBluth72 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Ts, 4d ]
rarebel checks.
GobBluth72 bets [200].
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 does not show cards.
GobBluth72 wins 600 chips
Game #3086011401 starts.

#Game No : 3086011401
***** Hand History for Game 3086011401 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:56:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1025 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1700 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1545 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $340 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3390 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 4s Kc ]
bloomers43 raises [400].
heret1k folds.
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 does not show cards.
bloomers43 wins 700 chips
Game #3086012692 starts.

#Game No : 3086012692
***** Hand History for Game 3086012692 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:56:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1025 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1500 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1445 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $340 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3690 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3c Tc ]
heret1k folds.
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 calls [100].
bloomers43 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 6d, 5c ]
lostin111 checks.
bloomers43 bets [200].
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 does not show cards.
bloomers43 wins 600 chips
Game #3086014935 starts.

#Game No : 3086014935
***** Hand History for Game 3086014935 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, November 24, 00:57:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1025 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1300 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1445 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $340 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3890 )
Trny:17675269 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 9s Jc ]
rarebel folds.
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 raises [300].
heret1k folds.
bloomers43 does not show cards.
bloomers43 wins 600 chips
Game #3086016245 starts.

#Game No : 3086016245
***** Hand History for Game 3086016245 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, November 24, 00:57:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: heret1k ( $825 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1300 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1445 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $340 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $4090 )
Trny:17675269 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 2c 3c ]
GobBluth72 calls [300].
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
rarebel is all-In [40]
GobBluth72 calls [40].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 7d, Ad ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
GobBluth72 shows [ Js, Ts ] a straight, seven to jack.
rarebel shows [ 8s, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
GobBluth72 wins 830 chips from the main pot with a straight, seven to jack.
rarebel finished in fifth place.
rarebel has left the table.
Game #3086018360 starts.

#Game No : 3086018360
***** Hand History for Game 3086018360 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, November 24, 00:57:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 10: heret1k ( $675 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1300 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1935 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $4090 )
Trny:17675269 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Qc 7d ]
heret1k: nh
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k folds.
GobBluth72 does not show cards.
GobBluth72 wins 300 chips
Game #3086019662 starts.

#Game No : 3086019662
***** Hand History for Game 3086019662 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17675269 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, November 24, 00:57:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 66987 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 10: heret1k ( $675 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1300 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1935 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $4090 )
Trny:17675269 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Ac 9h ]
heret1k is all-In [675]
GobBluth72 folds.
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 calls [375].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 6h, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
heret1k shows [ Ac, 9h ] two pairs, tens and twos.
bloomers43 shows [ Td, Kh ] a full house, Tens full of twos.
bloomers43 wins 1500 chips from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of twos.
heret1k finished in fourth place.
heret1k has left the table.
Game #3086021487 starts.

[HesseJam]

OK, now you know that you need to upgrade your game. I also suggest Harrington on Holdem which is not so great for STTs and more for deep stacked MTTs, but you sure can use any help on non all-in play you can get. And HoH will be excellent for you. You'll need about 10 hours to go through the stuff, understand it, doing the exercices. You'll need to review the material after a while.

You need to read more of the material here. It cost time and effort, but there is no way around this. Especially the all-in posts. You will not fully master it after having read 10 posts or so. But read 5 a day and you are beginning to get a feel for it.

Last remark: You played just 65 tourneys. Your could have the same results so far even if you were the world's maximum STT dominator. So, there's your variance wisdom of the day.

But you sure need to learn and play better. In a way, you should be quite happy that you didn't start on a 300 game heater which would have cemented your wrong style.

[tigerite]

65o, I might push that. And no, I'm not being results oriented lol. But with 6BB and folded to you on the button, it's extremely tempting.

96o easy fold.
98s borderline. Could push, I think a fold is probably better though.
38s, yeah seems fine.
25s, folded to the SB, I'm shoving that holla.
K9s, folded to the button, all in. No question.
K4o standard fold.
T3s, borderline again. I think it's closer to a push than 98s was because you're now down to 5BB..
J9o, yeah it's a fold too, even though min raises are really annoying.
23s is obviously a fold
Q7o is a really easy push
And then we have A9o which obviously you pushed, correctly.

yeah, i plan to get those books for xmas.

i read as much as i can, but yeah variance sucks as well. i just don't want enough of a downswing to put my BR into retirement. i have about $140 right now, started at $300 but that's a combination of ring/sng/mtt play that's gone up and down.

so when i'm lower in stack, loosen up my pushing standards, and if folded to me on button or late position, or in sb/bb, push with almost anything? seems to be the general idea. i was really surprised about 25s for example and 65o. aren't i likely to get called eventually before i get ITM? if so i'm probably beat with some of these cards.

the sng guide says aim to steal with 25% of blinds like Ax, pairs, K Q etc. but i think this assumes even stacks.

[ QUOTE ]
25s, folded to the SB, I'm shoving that holla.


[/ QUOTE ]

Given that the SB is so short, and likely to call w/any two should we still push here?

[tigerite]

I did all these without SNGPT.. and having checked.. they're all correct. 98s you need them all to call 7% of hands or less, or it's -$EV, and T3s, it rises to 9%, which is as I thought, slightly better (but still borderline).

65o is 12%/17% for SB/BB. Most times, that's a push.

[tigerite]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
25s, folded to the SB, I'm shoving that holla.


[/ QUOTE ]

Given that the SB is so short, and likely to call w/any two should we still push here?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes. Run it through SNGPT. Even if he calls any two it's +$EV.

If he knows you have exactly 52s and calls accordingly then it's a -0.3% mistake to push. He will fold some of the really bad hands here though, like 63o, more than likely. Or if he doesn't, he will also call with 23o, 24o and such which we want in his range.

52s is a 38% shot against a random hand, and against the hands he'd call with less since he'll fold horrid ones.. i assume your analysis uses stack size to change that? i'm just looking at poker stove. i guess since if i don't double up through him we're both out of it..

[bones]

[ QUOTE ]
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:35:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $2865 )
Seat 3: EarlyBird123 ( $955 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $1960 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $710 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Jh Ah ]
EarlyBird123 folds.
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k raises [125].
niceguy3088 calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 5d, Kd ]
heret1k bets [50].
niceguy3088 calls [50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
heret1k bets [50].
niceguy3088 is all-In [2665]
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 shows [ 7d, Qh ] a pair of fives.


[/ QUOTE ]

If you're going to play like that, push AJ from the sb there. The reason that people don't advocate pushing good hands (and this is a very good hand in this spot) with >10 bbs is because you might have more of an advantage by playing a pot with it. But in this case, you're out of position and min-betting like a girl. You wanna be a girlie man? Just push it until your postflop play is better.

[tigerite]

Believe me it's a push..

EV/fold 0.1552
EV/no call 0.1939
EV/lose 0.1083
EV/win 0.2234

i do, just wondering. what happens if we increase SB's stack size? since he's probably more likely to call then, i'd think.

[tigerite]

Well increasing his stack size changes all the equities, seeing as ICM bases it not only on your own stack, but all the others too.

alright.. but in general, say you switched his stack with the biggest one, should i be more or less liberal in pushing when it's folded to me?

[tigerite]

It would depend, but I don't think a big stack would call as much as you think, considering you have t1100 and are pushing at 100/200 blinds.. I believe a big stack that isn't a total donk would have a much tighter range than the BB in this hand, and thus a push would, generally, be more correct, not less.

Please note though, that it is only for this hand. There is also the factor that if he calls and you lose, your EV is 0, not 0.10. That's a big, big difference.

I've just checked, in fact, and his range has to be tighter than 27% to push 52s here if "bloomers43" was in the BB and rarebel on the button, having folded to you. That's a pretty big range though, 22+,A2+,K9o+,K6s+,QTs,JTs. Against most opponents, therefore, it is still a push. I expected it to be about that, actually.

[Big Limpin']

[ QUOTE ]

alternatively, if anyone has some full hand histories of their own (where they didn't get lots of good hands of course) that they could show me, i'd appreciate it. i'm hoping this will help me see the errors i'm making.

[/ QUOTE ]

send me email, kevin.heinrichsohn@gmail.com, and ill send you a dozen or so full tourney HHs, i have some 10+1s even. you should be able to scan each in about 5 minutes in the replayer. Decide what plays looks "wierd" to you, and go from there.

[bennies]

I agree with tigerite about most things and I don't think he is entirely wrong here. However, I prefer not to push the 65 and I don't push 52s either. According to my calculation Villain needs to fold more than 25% of the time for the push to be +EV and I don't think he does. (If villain had had a bigger stack, obviously I like the push).

[tigerite]

Well, ok, the 52s one is close, on that we can agree. It might even be very marginally -$EV "if" he calls with absolutely everything. But the key is, I think here is a situation where ICM both undervalues your equity when you win, and also overvalues your equity should you fold.

Look at the situation should you win

Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1700 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3390 )
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1565 )

That should mean easy steals from GobBluth as you both have him covered and he's to your right.

The 65o one, I did say was "tempting".. not a definite push or something.. but those ranges are pretty damn wide, 12 and 17%.

[bennies]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, ok, the 52s one is close, on that we can agree. It might even be very marginally -$EV "if" he calls with absolutely everything. But the key is, I think here is a situation where ICM both undervalues your equity when you win, and also overvalues your equity should you fold.

Look at the situation should you win

Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $1345 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1700 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $3390 )
Seat 10: heret1k ( $1565 )

That should mean easy steals from GobBluth as you both have him covered and he's to your right.



[/ QUOTE ]

Nh. Damn, I wish I had the time to think these things through when I am 8-tabling. I agree such ajustments of ICM could help our pushbot-game. This spot is a pretty good illustration of this because, if we win, the dude with the widest calling range (bigstack) is on our right.
However, one argument can be made for folding, showing down 52 won't help our image much /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Having looked at the 65 again.... hmm, 12/17 calling ranges look about right to me actually /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[tigerite]

I of course meant GobBluth is to the left, i.e. we are on his right. Oops. You're right though - it's close either way, a fold isn't the worst there. For K9s though the next hand it's a travesty.

[bennies]

[ QUOTE ]
For K9s though the next hand it's a travesty.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep.

(Travesty: absurd imitation of or inferior substitute for sth: The trial was a travesty of justice)

OP was imitating bad cards when he folded or something...

[ QUOTE ]
i was down to 465 after losing that first hand and then got blinded down to 3BB.

[/ QUOTE ]How about posting the hands inbetween these two spots?

[ QUOTE ]
as to how i got so low, here are the hands after winning the pot in the second to last hand, giving me 1425:

65
96
98s
83
52
K9s
K4
T3
J9
32s
Q7

[/ QUOTE ]A real quick look through the hand records you provide a couple of posts down suggests you missed pushing opportunities with K9s and Q7o.

[ QUOTE ]
standard game, ended up on the bubble again but i was more aggro this game and was up for a while:

Seat 5: dollar45 ( $125 )
Seat 10: heret1k ( $730 )
Seat 8: lostin111 ( $1110 )
Seat 4: GobBluth72 ( $990 )
Seat 3: ifidawon ( $2255 )
Seat 1: rarebel ( $1955 )
Seat 9: bloomers43 ( $835 )
Trny:17675269 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3s 3h ]
lostin111 folds.
bloomers43 folds.
heret1k raises [100].
rarebel folds.
ifidawon calls [100].
GobBluth72 folds.
dollar45 is all-In [95]
heret1k calls [25].
ifidawon calls [25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Js, 6c ]
heret1k checks.
ifidawon checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
heret1k bets [30].
ifidawon calls [30].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
heret1k checks.
ifidawon checks.

[/ QUOTE ]
This is the second instance of a fairly useless min-raise. I suspect you need to take a look at your post-flop bet sizes.

[ QUOTE ]
so when i'm lower in stack, loosen up my pushing standards, and if folded to me on button or late position, or in sb/bb, push with almost anything? seems to be the general idea. i was really surprised about 25s for example and 65o. aren't i likely to get called eventually before i get ITM? if so i'm probably beat with some of these cards.

the sng guide says aim to steal with 25% of blinds like Ax, pairs, K Q etc. but i think this assumes even stacks.

[/ QUOTE ]

You metioned in a previous post u also play ring games. I would assume by the size of your post flop bets that it is limit. Maybe concentrate on NL for a while as the betting patterns a very much different.
Your post flop play is where you are falling down you need to increse the size of your bets to at a min half the pot to pot and over. If this consumes more than half your stack then push. This is probably leaking you chips earlier on in the tourney as well which leaves you with less chips then u started with by level 4/5.
Your table image is another matter. You fold to any raise or big bet. Good players will be aware of this and i bet someone always min raises your BB or puts in a big bet after a check/small bet post flop.
However Looking at your hands I would have been bust with your 98s.
But sometimes that will hold up and now u have a better stack position.

The push with the 25o definetly you had a bigger stack. When u get to the position where u have a bigger stack always ask the smaller stack a question. Never give them free blinds u will regret it later.

Another scenario can arise which is sometimes great. If 2 big stacks go at it and you have a mid drawing hand get in there. They normally have high cards/pairs and if you hit a straight or flush you will treble your stack.

Derfinetly get harringtons books, Even though they are more geared towards longer live torneys they will definetly improve your game.

ok, here's the hands between 465 and 3BB for the first game, which went by pretty quick:

(i should have pushed both Ax and 88, i don't know what i was thinking there).

#Game No : 3086983184
***** Hand History for Game 3086983184 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:35:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $3115 )
Seat 3: EarlyBird123 ( $955 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $1960 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $460 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 3h Ks ]
DonnyOnions folds.
heret1k: nb
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 calls [25].
heret1k: i guess
EarlyBird123 raises [50].
niceguy3088 calls [50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 5c, 7c ]
niceguy3088 checks.
EarlyBird123 bets [100].
niceguy3088 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
>You have options at Table 66986 Table!.
niceguy3088 checks.
EarlyBird123 bets [250].
niceguy3088 raises [700].
EarlyBird123 is all-In [505]
niceguy3088 calls [55].
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
niceguy3088 shows [ 6h, 4c ] a straight, four to eight.
EarlyBird123 shows [ Qc, Ac ] a pair of aces.
niceguy3088 wins 1910 chips from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.
EarlyBird123 finished in fifth place.
EarlyBird123 has left the table.
Game #3086984833 starts.

#Game No : 3086984833
***** Hand History for Game 3086984833 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:36:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4070 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $1960 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $460 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 6h Ac ]
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 folds.
DonnyOnions does not show cards.
DonnyOnions wins 50 chips
Game #3086985164 starts.

#Game No : 3086985164
***** Hand History for Game 3086985164 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:37:00 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4070 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $1960 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $460 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 4s Jh ]
niceguy3088 calls [50].
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 calls [25].
heret1k checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Kc, As ]
TCH21 checks.
heret1k checks.
niceguy3088 bets [50].
TCH21 calls [50].
heret1k folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
TCH21 checks.
niceguy3088 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
TCH21 bets [100].
niceguy3088 folds.
TCH21 does not show cards.
TCH21 wins 350 chips
Game #3086986892 starts.

#Game No : 3086986892
***** Hand History for Game 3086986892 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:37:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $3970 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2110 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $410 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ As 6d ]
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 does not show cards.
niceguy3088 wins 75 chips
Game #3086987327 starts.

#Game No : 3086987327
***** Hand History for Game 3086987327 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:38:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $3995 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1510 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2110 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $385 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 8h 8s ]
TCH21 raises [100].
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 folds.
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 does not show cards.
TCH21 wins 175 chips
Game #3086988182 starts.

#Game No : 3086988182
***** Hand History for Game 3086988182 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:38:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $3970 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1460 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2185 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $385 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 9h Js ]
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 folds.
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 does not show cards.
TCH21 wins 75 chips
Game #3086988490 starts.

#Game No : 3086988490
***** Hand History for Game 3086988490 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:38:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $3970 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1435 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2210 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $385 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Jd 2d ]
niceguy3088 raises [300].
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 does not show cards.
niceguy3088 wins 375 chips
Game #3086989175 starts.

#Game No : 3086989175
***** Hand History for Game 3086989175 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:39:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4045 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1435 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2185 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $335 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 4d Qc ]
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 does not show cards.
niceguy3088 wins 75 chips
Game #3086989541 starts.

#Game No : 3086989541
***** Hand History for Game 3086989541 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, November 24, 05:39:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4070 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1435 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2185 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $310 )
Trny:17680641 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ Jd 3c ]
>You have options at Table 66986 Table!.
TCH21 folds.
heret1k folds.
niceguy3088 calls [25].
DonnyOnions folds.
niceguy3088 does not show cards.
niceguy3088 wins 100 chips
Game #3086989928 starts.

#Game No : 3086989928
***** Hand History for Game 3086989928 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17680641 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 24, 05:39:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 67100 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: niceguy3088 ( $4120 )
Seat 6: DonnyOnions ( $1385 )
Seat 7: TCH21 ( $2185 )
Seat 9: heret1k ( $310 )
Trny:17680641 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to heret1k [ 7h 8h ]
heret1k is all-In [310]
niceguy3088 folds.
DonnyOnions folds.
TCH21 calls [210].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 5h, Ad ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
heret1k shows [ 7h, 8h ] a pair of fours.
TCH21 shows [ Ah, 6h ] two pairs, aces and fours.
TCH21 wins 670 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fours.
heret1k finished in fourth place.
heret1k has left the table.
Game #3086990538 starts.

[tigerite]

Ok, no SNGPT at first, to say how I would play them in-game:

K3o, I wouldn't hate a push there from the button.
A6o, this is just an absolute cast iron push.
J4o standard
A6o.. see the A6o above. It was blatant then, and is now.
88, easy easy push over the top. You're out of time.
J9o, I think this is a marginal push as well.
J2s, probably a fold.
Q4o, absolute blatant push, again.
J3o, I think I'd push this as well
87s, also a push, but pick any of the above ones first, as they are all better than this one, barring perhaps J9o, J3o and the first one K3o (which I'm least likely to push)

[Mr_J]

Jesus, it's your sample size that's killing you. 70 tournies is like a drop in the ocean.

[tigerite]

And now the SNGPT results

[ QUOTE ]

K3o, both have to call more than 15%. So it's more of a push than I thought.
A6o, unexploitable, as expected.
A6o, unexploitable, as expected.
88, his range has to be 66+,ATo+ and you have to be worse than a 46% dog against it, assuming he calls 100% of the time. So yep this is a re-push for me.
J9o, wasn't as marginal as I thought, ranges all 23%.
Q4o, unexploitable, as expected.
J3o, ranges have to be huge, 32%/38% for this not to be a push. It's definitely one.


[/ QUOTE ]

thanks, i'll look over those hands some more.

[axeshigh]

Your sample size is 60 tournies and you expect +/- bubble to be an accurate stat? I've had +2% over 2500 tourneys and now I'm 67% -8 over the last 500. Means absolutely nothing.

[FlyWf]

Tight early, aggressive late. Push, don't call.

[raptor517]

lol, you have played 65 tournaments and everyone is trying to draw conclusions and fix yer game. this is hilarious. holla

[davehwm]

[ QUOTE ]
lol, you have played 65 tournaments and everyone is trying to draw conclusions and fix yer game. this is hilarious. holla

[/ QUOTE ]

I think based on the hand histories he's posted, he clearly has some major holes in his game. Tigerlite has donated a pretty decent amount of time to give him plenty of useful information and I'm sure he appreciates it.

Thanks for YER contribution to the thread. holla