I runner runner top 2, value push the river?

[ggbman]

Villian seems ok, my image is nothing to special.


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MP1 ($3346)
Hero ($2643)
CO ($1935.50)
Button ($4951)
SB ($2297)
BB ($794.50)
UTG ($1101.28)
UTG+1 ($7468.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $40</font>, MP1 calls $40, Hero calls $40, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($170) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20</font>, UTG+1 calls $20, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $100</font>, Hero calls $100, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($410) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $450</font>, Hero calls $450.

River: ($1310) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $1000</font>, Hero ...

[mantasm]

I don't know, you'd think a decent player that coldcalled preflop, raised that flop and then bet every street is going to have a set or 56 a lot of the time. If he had some big draw on the flop he's just going to fold if you push. He may even fold a smaller two pair. I doubt there's value in a push.

[yvesaint]

i dunno his play looks awfully like a set/straight

he does put you on hearts obviously, i think a call is in order, followed by fold, and raise being the worst ....2-pair doesnt get this aggressive

[ryanghall]

I definitely wouldn't raise this hand.

Calling is probably the best option.

ryan

[flawless_victory]

im trying to come up w/ a reason to call.

[mgsimpleton]

A7 is the only reason I can think of to call... and that seems to be a bad one... to me this seems like a fold. Actually it seems like a fold on the turn, but definitely a fold on the river assuming this opponent has not been getting out of line.

[whodaman]

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A7 is the only reason I can think of to call... and that seems to be a bad one... to me this seems like a fold. Actually it seems like a fold on the turn, but definitely a fold on the river assuming this opponent has not been getting out of line.

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You don't think people bet this turn all the time to get a fold from a medium pair or draw? I can't imagine that folding top pair with the nut redraw getting 2:1 is correct? Can you explain why you fold the turn giving this action?

[flawless_victory]

i wouldve folded the turn, yes.

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i dunno his play looks awfully like a set/straight

he does put you on hearts obviously, i think a call is in order, followed by fold, and raise being the worst ....2-pair doesnt get this aggressive

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I agree with the 2nd part of this, however, the 1st and 2nd statements here don't match up?

If he has a set or straight AND puts hero on hearts his river bet of $1000 is bad. If he puts hero on the nut heart draw, that's fine he made aces so he can put in a value bet, not $1000. If he has a set or straight and puts hero on something like KQh he would weak lead and give hero room to bluff, also not $1000.

Based on the size of his river bet, this makes me believe a call is correct.

[creedofhubris]

If you raise all-in, the only worse hand that calls you is a smaller aces up. I find that an unlikely holding for villain, so I think calling is better.

[kagame]

noone on here folds the river

id like to say i do but i dont, my opponents are just too stupid and overplay everything

[SpaceAce]

I'm not even sure I want to call this, much less push.

SpaceAce

[AllIn3High]

Doesn't MP1 have a set or the straight here almost always?

[ggbman]

For some reason, i pushed the river. Right afterwards, i thought "wow what a horrible play". I was not expecting so many people to make a case for folding, i'll have to give that some more thought, although my initial incling is that calling the river was the correct move.

[flawless_victory]

well, did u win?

[ggbman]

Lol, yeah i guess i forgot to include the results. I was called by 33 and lost. It made it much easier to see how bad the play was because i lost, but i hope i would arrive at the same conclusion even if i was called by A7.

call river, he probably has a set

W/O a read, I'd just call due to villains show of strength.


Tex