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krimson

11-23-2005, 09:10 PM

Limpers are 53/9/0.7 and 31/13/1.5 in that order. 3-bettor is a tight and hyper aggressive player, 15/11/4. I hit big on the flop, and appear to be ahead of AA/KK, but when do I give him credit for the case JJ or QQ hands?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.70 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26.70 BB

toss

11-23-2005, 09:17 PM

I think you gave just the right amount of action. It'd be nice getting 2 or 4 Big bets out of the limpers though.

11-23-2005, 09:52 PM

I like your play, but I doubt he had JJ.

11-23-2005, 10:17 PM

I would have check raised the turn calling down a three bet in order to trap the other loose players.

11-23-2005, 10:27 PM

I think you should reraise the turn. There are so many players in this pot and your EQ is high enough. Arent there just 2 possible combinations of JJ and QQ out and a lot of AA/KK/AQ/AJ or even FD out there and straightdraws and all that that your opponent would raise with? I think you should cap the turn and call a raise on the river.

lerxst337

11-23-2005, 10:33 PM

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I would have check raised the turn calling down a three bet in order to trap the other loose players.

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Maybe I am overlooking something, but don't we WANT raised here? If we're beat, we're beat. But when we let the raiser lead, anyone with a pair and an overcard (5 outs) or drawing inside pretty much has odds to call one bet. The same decision is wrong if we have them call 2 bets at once.

krimson

11-23-2005, 10:52 PM

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I would have check raised the turn calling down a three bet in order to trap the other loose players.

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My hand is pretty vulnerable on the turn in my opinion. With the size of the pot, I think I am making more money by forcing players out, who have possible draws against me, like AJ/AQ or gutshots, then I am from extracting more bets off them and letting them draw.