THE AT

[silkyslim]

MP3 is TAGgy. Should I be doing anything differently in this huge pot?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, SB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (16 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot:

18 BB

[Nick Royale]

I think we're behind 99% of the times on the river when he clearly bet for value. Still I would call...

[silkyslim]

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I think we're behind 99% of the times on the river when he clearly bet for value. Still I would call...

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ya,i was pretty sure i was behind. do you like the flop gaybet?

[Nick Royale]

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ya,i was pretty sure i was behind. do you like the flop gaybet?

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Yes, this flop might get checked through if pfr holds only overs. We might get raised by AK, even though we're behind most of the time when we're raised. However we certainly would not want give a free card.

Turn call is easy.

At the river I'm actually capable of folding with a really solid read, but if my only read is "TAGgy" I would call, since imo that's a vague read.

[Duerig]

I would consider bet-folding the river if you think he's weak enough to lay down an overpair or if you've seen him get aggressive with draws / overcards in the past. But my default line would be the one you took.

[gh9801]

I would play this the same. I like betting the flop here, mostly to hope PFR will raise and clear out the field a little. If PFR doesn't raise, then its a bet for value.

[shant]

What about betting the turn and folding to a raise?

[Nick C]

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What about betting the turn and folding to a raise?

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If we bet the turn, why would we fold to a raise?

Isn't KK popping us again?

Edit: It just occurred to me that you may actually be talking about the river.

[shant]

Hi I am retarded. What about doing that on the river?

[Nick C]

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Hi I am retarded. What about doing that on the river?

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It does seem to be a good way to prevent MP3 from checking behind with an aggressively played AK. If someone else has QT or something, instead of a draw, we would like to get paid off by that.

[gh9801]

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Hi I am retarded. What about doing that on the river?

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These days I'm not as big of a fan bet/folding big pots on the river. One bad fold undos the value you get from 15 good bet/folds

[Weebl]

I really like the bet/fold on the river for the following reasons:

-It is likley that we are beating at least 2 other players who are probably on busted draws or even an UI pair.

-I would not expect to see a bluff raise in a pot with four players and the board pairing on river. PFR, if paying attenion, could put you on trip 8s.

-I can't imagine getting rasied by hand that we beat, JT, KT, QT and lower PP are not going 3 bets pre-flop.

So bet/fold the river....thoughts?