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HesseJam

11-23-2005, 10:40 AM

Could anybody with at least 500 tourneys give me his vpip and BB/100 stats per limit.

At Stars turbo mine are as follows (500 tourneys 15+1 and 25+2):
limit->vpip->BB/100
10/15->15%->+ 11BB/100
15/30->16.5%-> - 7 BB/100 /images/graemlins/shocked.gif
25/50->17.5%-> 0 BB/100
50/100->19%-> 3BB/100
100/200->23%-> 8BB/100
200/400->27%-> 9BB/100

Obviously, I'm at a loss to explain my suckage at stage II. Could it be that I do not adjust that the typical super dork calling pf all-ins with K6 is long gone after the first stage?

durron597

11-23-2005, 10:44 AM

I was like this for awhile, I'm showing a profit in level 2 now but it's a very very small one. I think I may have been overplaying small pairs and suited aces out of position before.

HesseJam

11-23-2005, 10:47 AM

I'm suspecting also that "out of position" might be the key. However, I usually do not play suited Aces OOP @ stage II. Also, if I look at the positions CO and CO -1 are negative.

durron597

11-23-2005, 10:54 AM

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I'm suspecting also that "out of position" might be the key. However, I usually do not play suited Aces OOP @ stage II. Also, if I look at the positions CO and CO -1 are negative.

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I just went and looked through the database, I think the fact that we play maybe 5 hands at level 2 in a turbo means that the statistical sample size of SnGs has to be huge for this number to mean anything. That said, I found this fun hand in my database (this was from a $16)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Button (t1040)
SB (t1800)
BB (t1450)
UTG (t1270)
UTG+1 (t1380)
Hero (t1590)
MP2 (t2190)
MP3 (t1460)
CO (t1320)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t30, Button calls t30, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls t30.

Turn: (t240) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets t90, Hero calls t90, CO folds.

River: (t420) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t120, Hero raises to t1440, Button calls t770 (All-In).

Final Pot: t2750

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8s Ts (straight, queen high).
Button has Kc Tc (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins t2200. Hero wins t550.

tigerite

11-23-2005, 10:56 AM

You kind of deserved that for limping first-in in MP1 with T8s, though.. didn't you?

durron597

11-23-2005, 10:59 AM

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You kind of deserved that for limping first-in in MP1 with T8s, though.. didn't you?

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I don't do it anymore, and my ROI has gone up 14%.

HesseJam

11-23-2005, 11:04 AM

The hand looks familiar...

I don't have my database here at work...

I experimented with limping hands like t8s. I cut down on it (at least from early an early-mid positions). I still play those occasionally at MTTs.

11-23-2005, 11:08 AM

779 tourneys - mostly 33s (Party)

10/15->9.9%-> 11BB/100
15/30->10.12%-> 2 BB/100
25/50->10.9%-> 4 BB/100
50/100->13.40%-> 7BB/100
100/200->22.44%-> 12BB/100
200/400->34.22%-> 18BB/100

I play tighter than you in the first levels. Maybe you are calling too many raises with small pairs? I don't know.

HesseJam

11-23-2005, 11:20 AM

I also play tighter at Party. At Stars with deeper stacks I want to be more active and practice good ole post flop play. I know that 15% might be to loose even for Stars but I wanted to come from the loose side and eliminating non profitable hands to get close to the optimum.

Playing like this people either think I am a donk (well, who knows) or they fear me because they do not know my holdings. But I am cutting down on this sh1t slowly now. This style is probably better for MTTs.

Add-on: BTW, your stats rock. You must make a killing at Party's.

pooh74

11-23-2005, 11:48 AM

Don't have my #s with me, but I think they are tighter than yours. I know overall they are below 20 and the higher levels are through the roof so the lower levels are quite low.

Playing suited Cs and 1 gappers early is quite overrated. Suited As are even worse somtimes even in position. Stars having deeper stacks is not a license to play like a donk early on, those extra chips are still VERY valuable...this took awhile for me to learn but is the key to my success.

HesseJam

11-23-2005, 12:06 PM

OK, seems tried and proved to tighten up a bit more early. So I gonna tighten up the first 2 levels.

11-23-2005, 03:13 PM

I only have 415 $16 and $27 turbos under my belt, but FWIW:

10/20 16.6% 15BB/100
15/30 17.2% 7
25/50 18.2% 1
50/100 18.0% 3
75/150 21.9% 3
100/200 28.7% 3

My ROI over these SNGs is 20.3%.