5/10 Kinda deep vs Manuekhaz

[HoldEmKillah]

Manu is very laggy preflop yet plays decent-to-bad(on the weak side) postflop. His image of me is laggy: I play back at him a lot on all streets. But he never really does anything about it.

I was hoping Manu would 3bet the flop so I could get our stacks in there but that didn't work. Also, do you play the flop differently? Probably the same right?

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Hero ($1962.75)
SB ($1012)
BB/Manuekhaz($1912.06)
UTG ($287)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB/Manuekhaz raises to $90</font>, Hero calls $60.

Flop: ($205) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB/Manuekhaz bets $150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $600</font>, BB/Manuekhaz immediately calls $450.

Turn: ($1405) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

BB/Manuekhaz checks.

Peel one off or shove?

[Jonny]

I like a push here.

[hit_the_set]

Shove it If you think Villain is laying down his JJ or QQ. Its hard for villain to put you on AK here. What would you raise that flop with?

I dont mind pushing the flop, but as you mentioned, u guys are a bit deep for that.

As played,Peel one off.

[punter11235]

vs Manukheaz I am taking a freecard here. Hes not going to fold in pot that big and he is often going to pay you off on the river if you hit 2pair+. So check get there and kill him on the river I think.

[HoldEmKillah]

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vs Manukheaz I am taking a freecard here. Hes not going to fold in pot that big and he is often going to pay you off on the river if you hit 2pair+. So check get there and kill him on the river I think.

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Ya think so? I tend to bully Manu around a lot. He folds way too much to me but maybe I've just ran lucky against him. That K is an interesting card though.

[BobboFitos]

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vs Manukheaz I am taking a freecard here. Hes not going to fold in pot that big and he is often going to pay you off on the river if you hit 2pair+. So check get there and kill him on the river I think.

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Ya think so? I tend to bully Manu around a lot. He folds way too much to me but maybe I've just ran lucky against him. That K is an interesting card though.

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not really, the K is a blank.

[HoldEmKillah]

What do you do on the turn, Bobbo?

[BobboFitos]

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What do you do on the turn, Bobbo?

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I dont know the opponent, I play much less party then everyone else, but if he thinks the K is a scare card, fire in the hole!!!

[TheWorstPlayer]

I like a push. If he had a hand that he wanted to get all in he would have gotten all in on the flop. He looks like he likes his hand but he wants you to slow down. If he was looking for a blank turn, he got it and should now shove to shut down your draw. The fact that he is letting you draw for free rather than shutting you out means that he cannot be happy getting it all in here. So you should push. He will certainly fold plenty to make it profitable since even when called you have tons of equity. You don't need him to fold that often, and I think he folds fairly often here. Honestly, this looks like a +EV shove with complete air here. So with all your equity, it must be +EV to push.

[MTBlue]

He folds too much but once he calls a raise on the flop he generally isn't going away. Peel one off and see a rover. I've see him get all-in with 99 type hand so fold equity is minimal.

[flawless_victory]

puuuuuuuuuuuuush.

I'm definately taking a few seconds and checking here. There is just no way that he can put 1/3 in the pot with anything less than 99 here (and a reraise preflop). You made an awfully big raise on the flop, and your push here would be another big bet. Though I don't know a lot about the player in question, it sounds to me like he would be more likely to call a big overbet of the pot (thinking it's a bluff). I say you see the free card, and even if you miss he could check to you on the river... then you'd have another question to ask...

[Prevaricator]

i think you need to shove here, and he might call you with A5s who knows. His pf reraise range is very wide.

[ezratei]

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I like a push here.

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I probably haven't played against this guy as much as some of you guys but from what I've seen there's no way he's folding 99-QQ. I would definitely check behind here ... he will pay you off on the river no matter what card comes.

P.S. This guy loses shitloads of money right? Where does it come from?

[HoldEmKillah]

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His pf reraise range is very wide.

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wrong. His PFR is wide. His reraise range is big pairs TT-AA

[HoldEmKillah]

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This guy loses shitloads of money right? Where does it come from?

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No actually. He's been winning but I think it's because players don't adjust and pay off his monsters. He's also been running well.

[AEKDBet]

Hi HoldemK, play with you and manE quite a bit, not with manE in a 2 weeks tho.

A push &gt; a check.

A check, you are not getting much value when you do hit on river


The way he played the hand it looks like 99-TT, 77, 97. Something that will fold to your push.. Including a better flush draw Wouldn't that just make your week /images/graemlins/grin.gif

with his lead-call on the flop i take away the possibility of a set and str8

[AEKDBet]

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vs Manukheaz I am taking a freecard here. Hes not going to fold in pot that big and he is often going to pay you off on the river if you hit 2pair+. So check get there and kill him on the river I think.

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Ya think so? I tend to bully Manu around a lot. He folds way too much to me but maybe I've just ran lucky against him. That K is an interesting card though.

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How often are you firing hard on the turn? How often do you play large pots with him?


Nah nevermind, no way he has a set here.

[ezratei]

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No actually. He's been winning but I think it's because players don't adjust and pay off his monsters. He's also been running well.

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next semester's tuition

[HoldEmKillah]

I pushed he folded.

[punter11235]

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I probably haven't played against this guy as much as some of you guys but from what I've seen there's no way he's folding 99-QQ.

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Ezratei ! I didnt know you post here. Youre one of my main 5/10 enemy /images/graemlins/grin.gif
I agree with your assessment here, hes not folding good hands and hes paying off on the river