Top Two and Lots of Action

[mscags]

Villian is 28/25 3.00 but only over about 150 hands. No reads besides that.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font> Hero...

Whats your plan for the rest of the hand? Is this an easy call down or does anyone put anymore bets in this?

[aba20]

I just call down.

[MyssGuy]

At some point you've got to slow down and think set. When he raises your turn c/r, I think you call down.

[RunDownHouse]

The reason I don't c/r the turn is because I want between 1-2 bets going in on the turn, not 3-4. I forget who introduced this concept around here, but I really like thinking of plays that way and using it to help determine my line.

As for the actual hand, I call down, but I really, really think you're against a set. At best you're splitting with AJ, but even that would be nutty, so maybe "best case realistically" is a set of 9s. Not good. Pray for a river A.

[mscags]

So do you like betting into him on the turn or would you rather just call the flop raise and then check raise the turn.

[RunDownHouse]

With the flop being capped, I probably bet the turn and call down from there, because I could see a number of hands you beat that might cap the flop, opponent-dependent.

I think the flop 3bet is a must because BB is coming along for the ride.

[luckyharr]

My plan would have been bet-call on the turn. As it is, call down.

I bet/3bet the turn. The board is draw heavy and villain could have capped for a free card. There are plenty of hands an aggressive villain plays this way that will take a free card on the turn. This gets the maximum number of bets in when you are ahead, as villain may put in one more raise with a strong ace.

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My plan would have been bet-call on the turn. As it is, call down.

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[RunDownHouse]

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I bet/3bet the turn. The board is draw heavy and villain could have capped for a free card. There are plenty of hands an aggressive villain plays this way that will take a free card on the turn.

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Which of those hands will also raise a turn lead? 3betting seems way out of line to me.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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Which of those hands will also raise a turn lead? 3betting seems way out of line to me.

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Yes, I agree. If 3-betting the turn, I think that even against this villain we cross a line where any further bets put in, will be done when we have the worst hand.

if the villain raises the turn, i think we can reduce his range to:
hands that beat us:
aa (1 combo)
jj (1 combo)
99 (3 combos)

hands we beat:
a9 (6 combos)
ak (8 combos)
aq (8 combos)

even if he only raises his big aces half the time, our 3bet should show a profit. he could also be getting out of line with a royal draw or j9. remember that this is an aggressive player 3betting a cutoff open-raise from the button. you are giving him too much credit for a set.

[RunDownHouse]

I really, really think you have to discount all the ace combos. Decent players aren't raising this turn with AK or AQ: maniacs are. I could see those combos being much more likely if it was A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif... but the A/images/graemlins/heart.gif being on the board ruins all of those.

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remember that this is an aggressive player 3betting a cutoff open-raise from the button.

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... and then capping the flop, and then raising the turn...
His stats seem to indicate that he's thinking, although we don't know how much. Its hard without any real reads, but if a 30/20 shows this much strength, 3betting the turn is just asking for trouble.

[mscags]

I called down and he showed me 99

Thanks for the thoughts and more appreciated

Scags

[Alobar]

I like everything RDH said in this thread