Tell me I played it wrong.....please

Before you read and reply, let me say that I had this guy for AK-JT, no pocket pair, suited cards as well. And yes, I'm still tilting. Thanks in advance
-Rich

PokerStars Game #3122143783: Tournament #15369699, Hold'em No Limit - Level V
(75/150) - 2005/11/21 - 20:42:05 (ET)
Table '15369699 20' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MIKE18WHLR (15497 in chips)
Seat 2: lakedwell (3795 in chips)
Seat 3: WaYnE..2312 (8530 in chips)
Seat 4: rjched422 (15585 in chips)
Seat 5: DRH_PAPA (7008 in chips)
Seat 6: WayBack (20655 in chips)
Seat 7: r@ise me! (14500 in chips)
Seat 8: srharris22 (10482 in chips)
Seat 9: Hgwy301 (6033 in chips)
WayBack: posts small blind 75
r@ise me!: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rjched422 [Js Jc]
srharris22: folds
Hgwy301: folds
MIKE18WHLR: folds
lakedwell: calls 150
WaYnE..2312: calls 150
rjched422: raises 450 to 600
DRH_PAPA: folds
WayBack: folds
r@ise me!: calls 450
lakedwell: calls 450
WaYnE..2312: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [6c Th 4h]
r@ise me!: checks
lakedwell: checks
WaYnE..2312: checks
rjched422: bets 1650
r@ise me!: calls 1650
lakedwell: folds
WaYnE..2312: folds
*** TURN *** [6c Th 4h] [4s]
r@ise me!: checks
rjched422: bets 2550
r@ise me!: calls 2550
*** RIVER *** [6c Th 4h 4s] [6d]
r@ise me!: bets 3900
rjched422: calls 3900
*** SHOW DOWN ***
r@ise me!: shows [6h 8h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
rjched422: mucks hand
r@ise me! collected 18675 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18675 | Rake 0
Board [6c Th 4h 4s 6d]
Seat 1: MIKE18WHLR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lakedwell folded on the Flop
Seat 3: WaYnE..2312 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rjched422 mucked [Js Jc]
Seat 5: DRH_PAPA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WayBack (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: r@ise me! (big blind) showed [6h 8h] and won (18675) with a full house,
Sixes full of Fours
Seat 8: srharris22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Hgwy301 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[KneeCo]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP1 (t15497)
MP2 (t3795)
MP3 (t8530)
Hero (t15585)
Button (t7008)
SB (t20655)
BB (t14500)
UTG (t10482)
UTG+1 (t6033)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t150, MP3 calls t150, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t450, MP2 calls t450, MP3 calls t450.

Flop: (t2475) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1650</font>, BB calls t1650, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t5775) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t2550</font>, BB calls t2550.

River: (t10875) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t3900</font>, Hero calls t3900.

Final Pot: t18675

[mlagoo]

maybe bet a bit more on the turn, looks ok though.

take results out of the op.

Hmm I can't really see anything I would do different if I put villain on those hands... If I wasn't to sure, I would make a slightly higher turn bet to get confirmed if he was serious with the hand or was just on a draw of some kind.

If he would bet the turn, I would push right away. What do you guys think about that option?

[Exitonly]

i would have probably bet more on both the flop (~2000) and the turn (probably put him all in). but it probably doesnt make much of a difference. Tough brreak.

[betgo]

I would bet more preflop. With 2 limpers, make it atleast 5xBB rather than 4xBB. JJ is not a hand you are deperate for action with. Also, it is standard to make a big raise if you are going to raise at all from the blinds, because you don't want to just build the pot out of position.

I would bet a little bit less than the pot-sized bet you made on the flop.

If I were villain, I would have reraised allin or put in a big reraise on the flop with pair plus flush draw.

You realize that villain was the slight favorite on the flop. He wasn't calling you with nothing.

It is possible that a bigger raise preflop or a push on the turn would have gotten villain to fold, but that is results oriented. You basically lost this due to bad luck rather than bad play.

I appreciate all the feedback. Still a little steamed about it because I was playing some of my best poker up to that hand. I had not lost a showdown up to that hand or very many pots that I had been involved in. I'll take a few days off for the holiday and re-cock for the Paradise Million 2.

[betgo]

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I appreciate all the feedback. Still a little steamed about it because I was playing some of my best poker up to that hand. I had not lost a showdown up to that hand or very many pots that I had been involved in. I'll take a few days off for the holiday and re-cock for the Paradise Million 2.

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There is nothing that you can do to avoid losing a lot of big hands. If someone else is putting in money, they probably are ahead or have a lot of outs.

You just have to "roll with the punches" as the song "The Gambler" says, and try not to get steamed.

Most tournament I am doing well in I get busted out before the significant money on some hand where either I run into a big hand, I lose a coin toss, or my opponent draws out on me. Sometimes you get lucky and win several of these big hands and make the final table; most of the time you don't.

see nothing wrong here, except the outcome.

Recently I have been adjusting my pre-flop raises to account for how many limpers there are. My raise range is 2.5BB-~4BB, but I have been adding 1BB for each limper. I have found this to work pretty well. It gets the loose players to fold a few more hands, and others will fold behind unless they actually have something. So, in this example, I'd raise to about ~1000. On the flop bet about 2/3 pot or so, and if no heart on turn, a big bet, maybe all-in. But overall you played the hand alright. Most of the time, the BB lead out bet on the river is going to be a bluff from a busted flush draw. In this case it WAS a busted flush draw, but he had a backup plan which came through. Unlucky, nothing more. Don't let the result of this hand make you afraid to keep playing the way you played it.

-Gross

[PFrese]

Rich - well played on every street. Tough break.

BUT, let me ask you, what do you think he put you on? Meaning, if he put you on AKs or AQs, and would not let go of that read, he was able to justify calling you down. Not saying he played it right (he should have raised you on the flop or turn to find out), but just trying to help dissipate the steam for you. If you look at his calls, and him saying to himself, this guy has AK or AQ, I have a pair, I am calling him down, you can see why he called.

Now, the real question, why didn't he raise you on the river? He had to know his boat was good. Oh wait, I know - he is a donkey! Nevermind. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Tough break, good luck in the big one!

[betgo]

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Rich - well played on every street. Tough break.

BUT, let me ask you, what do you think he put you on? Meaning, if he put you on AKs or AQs, and would not let go of that read, he was able to justify calling you down. Not saying he played it right (he should have raised you on the flop or turn to find out), but just trying to help dissipate the steam for you. If you look at his calls, and him saying to himself, this guy has AK or AQ, I have a pair, I am calling him down, you can see why he called.

Now, the real question, why didn't he raise you on the river? He had to know his boat was good. Oh wait, I know - he is a donkey! Nevermind. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Tough break, good luck in the big one!

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Hero bet the flop and turn. Villain bet the river and hero called. Villain could not raise on the river.

I don't agree it was well played on every street. The preflop raise to 4xBB with JJ into 2 limpers was not good.

Perhaps he was thinking, why no check raise? Perfect opportunity for it. Hero would most likely bet to make the busted flush draw fold and then the super surprising raise comes back at him instead. Eh?

-Gross

[PFrese]

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Hero bet the flop and turn. Villain bet the river and hero called. Villain could not raise on the river.

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Oops, sorry misread it. you are correct. I also missed the flush draw. So the villian is not as big a donkey as I thought.

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I don't agree it was well played on every street. The preflop raise to 4xBB with JJ into 2 limpers was not good.

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I hear you on the bigger raise, and I agree somewhat. Yes he could have bet more, but I doubt one extra BB would have pushed the villian off his hand. Maybe.

[betgo]

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I hear you on the bigger raise, and I agree somewhat. Yes he could have bet more, but I doubt one extra BB would have pushed the villian off his hand. Maybe.

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It doesn't matter whether it would have gotten villain to fold, and you don't particularly want him to fold.

With 2 limpers, I would generally raise to 6xBB rather than 4xBB, particularly with a medium strong hand such as JJ.

PreFlop: 5x BB
Flop: Agree with you.
Turn: Push it.

[Exitonly]

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The preflop raise to 4xBB with JJ into 2 limpers was not good.

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thats a bit harsh. i think a raise to 900 here is going to scare them away too often.