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Roy6
11-21-2005, 09:45 PM
I thought this was standard but I pokerstoved a bit.
Should I call the turn? I don't have odds if I follow this result. If I include bluffs (would be rare I think btw), I'd need to call the river UI.
Also, I have reverse implied odds (rivering a Q against a straight, counterfeiting 2 pairs, but he just made a boat).

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 06.5341 % [ 00.07 00.00 ] { QdQc }
Hand 2: 93.4659 % [ 00.93 00.00 ] { 99, 55-33, A2s, 76s, 54s-53s, 43s, A2o, 76o, 54o, 43o }


Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB.
ArturiusX
11-21-2005, 09:49 PM
Thats the most bizzare use of a pokerstove I've ever seen.

You should call because you have outs to a counterfeiting two pair.
luckyharr
11-21-2005, 09:50 PM
You have to have a strong read on the SB to produce that tight of a hand range after the turn check raise.
Spicymoose
11-21-2005, 09:51 PM
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Thats the most bizzare use of a pokerstove I've ever seen.

You should call because you have outs to a counterfeiting two pair.

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So you are folding any river UI, or what?
ArturiusX
11-21-2005, 09:53 PM
Yeah I fold this river.
Spicymoose
11-21-2005, 09:54 PM
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Yeah I fold this river.

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Thats not what I asked.
Roy6
11-21-2005, 09:55 PM
well, not counting that 44 shouldn't be contained, I think that's a pretty good hand range.
ArturiusX
11-21-2005, 10:04 PM
Im not sure if you're stupid, but i just said i fold the river in this hand. Something you don't get?
Spicymoose
11-21-2005, 10:11 PM
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Im not sure if you're stupid, but i just said i fold the river in this hand. Something you don't get?

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Good job with the insults. How about answering the question I asked? You said:

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You should call because you have odds to a counterfeiting two pair

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I then asked:

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So you are folding any river UI, or what?

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Then you replied:

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Yeah I fold this his river.

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Then, when I reasked my question, you restated your remark, which did not answer my question.

I don't really care about this specific river, as if I would of called the turn, I am also folding this river. Do you call most rivers, or no? I hope it is clear enough this time.
ArturiusX
11-21-2005, 10:18 PM
Last time I checked, this is an unimproved river, and when refering to an event, you usually refer to a situation by using the word 'this'. This situation, leading to the river, is a fold in my mind, and the only way I'm calling is if its a Q or a counterfeit two pair card.
Spicymoose
11-21-2005, 10:22 PM
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Last time I checked, this is an unimproved river, and when refering to an event, you usually refer to a situation by using the word 'this'. This situation, leading to the river, is a fold in my mind, and the only way I'm calling is if its a Q or a counterfeit two pair card.

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Alright, was just checking. No need to get nasty. I just didn't like your responses because I thought the A made the river fold so much easier. If the river was a jack for instance, then I would personally have a much harder time folding this river. If you can make that fold based on your turn plan, that is great. It is just that many people make a turn plan, and then don't follow through with it on the river.
ArturiusX
11-21-2005, 10:23 PM
I think the ace is king of irrelovent given how it played out, but I guess it brings a little bit of comfort.
Zele
11-21-2005, 10:30 PM
I've never played the 3/6, but I don't like the river fold. Getting 13:1, and keeping in mind all the crazy stuff that people do in these online SH games (in my mind his having top pair only is not out of the question), I'd need some kind of read to fold.
Spicymoose
11-21-2005, 10:35 PM
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I think the ace is king of irrelovent given how it played out, but I guess it brings a little bit of comfort.

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My thoughts were that A3 or A5 might try something fancy. He could peel on the flop, and feel gutsy on the turn. Granted, not all that likely, but I thought that was the reason the A was more dangerous then plenty of other cards.
flawless_victory
11-22-2005, 01:11 AM
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I think the ace is king of irrelovent given how it played out, but I guess it brings a little bit of comfort.

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come on.
the A is a bad card.
id still call this down.
smurfitup
11-22-2005, 01:27 AM
i dont quite understand what two pair you give this guy credit for? 54? 43? looks much, much more like 67. given that you call the turn, i dont think you can fold the river.