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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $0.75.
2 folds</font>, Hero calls, 1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold</font>, Button calls, 1 fold</font>, BB checks.
Flop: (6 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, BB folds.
Turn: (4.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.
River: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 13.50 BB
I don't see anything interesting here to comment about. Sure, there is risk that button has e.g. the other two deuces. But I don't see where you play it any differently. The more aggressive players here may even tell you to bet the river (I wouldn't).
Would be nice to have a read on the button. Would he just call pre-flop with something like AA-JJ, AK, or AQ on the button? Seen players who call flop bets with 2 pair or higher and then raise on turn to get more big bets. Hard to put him on a hand based on how it was played.
I guess how I'd play this is read dependent. Without a read, I'd c/c turn and river.
xLukex
11-21-2005, 09:25 PM
I'll be the first to say fold preflop!
Fantam
11-21-2005, 09:27 PM
The trouble with playing weak A suited hands UTG, is that it leaves you uncertain what to do if you pair your Ace against several opponents.
One of them could easily have an Ace with a better kicker than yours, so I would have preferred to check the flop and if necessary call a bet with your bdfd.
The button raising the turn on a rainbow and no possible straights board, suggests that he was slowplaying a set. I would have expected the button to raise before, if he had 2 pair on the flop.
Nonetheless, 2 pair is a strong hand and you had 4 outs to a boat on the river (with 8.5 bets in the pot), so I think that you had to call button's turn raise.
Although you were probably beaten on the river, I think that you had to call, because the pot had become big and I expect that your 2 pair had a better than 10% (or so) chance to be best.
If the table is loose and passive, preflop is fine.
I'm trying really hard to think of a reason not to 3bet this turn.
Can anyone help me? I'm pretty sure there's a reason.
If I don't 3bet, I'm betting this river. I think I'm just confused by villian. A read would be good. I'm just confused.
crovax4444
11-21-2005, 09:42 PM
that was my first impression, to 3 bet the turn. Since it was mentioned earlier that Axs is a hard hand to play, 3 betting on the turn would have defined our and villian's hand. Would make it easier to figure out the river.
Crovax
Do you have any read or stats on the button? It would make this hand a lot easier to analyze.
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One of them could easily have an Ace with a better kicker than yours, so I would have preferred to check the flop and if necessary call a bet with your bdfd.
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I'm not sure I agree with this. You have top pair with no potential for overcards on a non-draw heavy board in an unraised pot. I don't think there's any reason to give someone credit for an Ace. Also, you have the bdfd. I bet this hand all day long. I think checking is bad as you give anyone that caught a piece of the board or who has a pocket pair a chance to draw out on you.
The pot is not so big that betting is not going to protect your hand either. With a bet you will be laying them 6:1 which is not enough for a gutshot or an underpair.
MrWookie47
11-21-2005, 10:59 PM
I like a check and see on this flop. You could fold for two bets to you, raise a LP bettor w/ no callers, and call or fold one bet to you, depending on the cast of characters. I 3bet this turn.
over 30 hands, this oppenent is 45/0, with an overall AF of .48 (including preflop). I thought i was behind, but confused to as if my hand was strong enough to reraise.
also, looking back, im not sure why i was first into the pot with A2s.
jeff
With those numbers, I'm folding when he comes alive.
Take out the pre-flop numbers in the aggression, but I still think you're WB when he comes alive.
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