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suited_ace

11-21-2005, 07:28 PM

I hated these 3 hands. In hindsight, I think all of them were folds, but I want your comments on these.

Thx.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Button (t785)
SB (t1255)
Hero (t800)
UTG (t360)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP3 calls t15, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t60) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t60) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets t25, Hero calls t25, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t25.

River: (t135) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets t75, Hero calls t75, MP3 folds.

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UTG+2 (t1320)
MP1 (t715)
MP2 (t435)
MP3 (t740)
CO (t290)
Button (t1280)
SB (t1025)
Hero (t775)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t675)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
7 folds, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t90) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t75, SB folds, Hero calls t75.

River: (t240) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t125, Hero calls t125.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Button (t1625)
SB (t750)
Hero (t635)
UTG (t635)
UTG+1 (t1115)
MP1 (t710)
MP2 (t1255)
CO (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 5 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t125) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (t125) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t125) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t100, Hero folds.

pineapple888

11-21-2005, 07:31 PM

Don't you ever bet? The idea is not to see the river...

psyduck

11-21-2005, 07:34 PM

hand 1 is horrible. lead the flop. when you whiff the flop, RAISE THE TURN!! river play is fine I guess, although you should have defined the hand on earlier streets.

hand 2: BET THE FLOP. you have 75% equity on the flop - try to get it all in there. turn and river are fine I guess and river is more of a crying call hoping he has ... uhh AQ I guess. nothing else that you beat. I might just fold river.

hand 3: call leever.

psyduck

11-21-2005, 07:35 PM

actually hand 3 is fine.

mlagoo

11-21-2005, 07:35 PM

yeesh.

bet, sir. we call it a semi bluff.

11-21-2005, 07:40 PM

I was just thinking the same thing. There were several opportunities to semi-bluff or bet for value in there. Checking and calling with everything just won't get it done. And I don't know that I'd fold that last hand when you did. That guy is basically full of [censored].

suited_ace

11-21-2005, 07:40 PM

Yeah, not betting the flop on hand 2 sucks. I don't think not betting the flop on hand 1 was as bad as hand 2, but I see your point.

jb9

11-21-2005, 07:40 PM

Hand 1 I bet the pot on the flop. If I didn't do that, I would have raised SB's turn bet (to 80-100). If SB bet big on the river, I'd consider folding.

Hand 2 I probably bet the pot on the turn -- I'd be worried if I got raised. As you played it, I'd have trouble folding on the river although it does look like button wants to be called.

Hand 3 I might try to steal on the turn (either he has an Ace, flush draw, or I'm taking the pot). I'm not sure about the river. If he has an Ace, he doesn't have the flush draw, so he should have bet on the flop or turn. He may be bluffing thinking you would have bet by now if you had anything. A read on UTG+1 would help.

11-21-2005, 07:40 PM

Damnit, on hand 3, bet the turn. PLEASE!

dseiko

11-21-2005, 07:56 PM

I atleast bet half of the pot on the flop in the first two hands. I then continue and bet half the pots on the turn for those two. In the turn on the 3rd i bet half the pot as a semi bluff.

11-21-2005, 08:19 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I think a lot of us hate these hands too.

Hand 1: Bet the flop! Someone might have you outkicked, but how are you going to find out if you don't charge people. You're way ahead most of the time here. Charge people to draw and at least expose their hand if they have a better king. If you don't do that, whenever everyone checks the flop, raise the turn! River call is fine.

Hand 2: I'd bet the flop. Your hand plays real well here. Then I'm betting the turn too. You've got to charge people to draw at a straight or flush. It's just you and the other blind at this point. Neither of you have done anything to expose the strength of your hands at all. River is fine, call it down.

Hand 3: Put SOME sort of bet in on the turn. If he doesn't have an ace, he's probably folding right there. If he has an ace, a flush draw, or a small pocket pair, he's calling. Otherwise, you win. River I'd have called. Unless this guy slowplays a lot of hands, I think there's a decent chance you're still ahead. A read on UTG+1 would be helpful.

Moral of the story: It's NO LIMIT Texas Holdem for a reason. Take advantage of that. Bet when you have opportunities to. Get money in when you're probably ahead. Make other people call or fold to significant bets so you at least have some idea where you stand in a hand.

The way you played these, you have no idea if you're ahead or behind at any point because you never made a significant bet.