Are the ROI's in the FAQ really attainable

I am currently trying to master the 10+1 tourneys at party poker and get my bankroll up to 1000 or so (where it once was before I got carried away and lost it playing out of my roll) in which case then I would feel comfortable moving up to the 22's. I have a plan to stay at the 22's for a good while until I have the roll to start 4 tabling the 109's comfortably. I will just skip past the 30's and 50's since I have seen that on here many people have said their not worth it. I figured at about 15% ROI (notice i'm giving myself the benefit of the doubt here, the FAQ said 20% should be attainable, but I'd rather figure lower and then over achieve) I should be able to get to 10,000-15,000 after around 6-8 months of playing the 22's considering I'm planning on playing an average of 20 per day, and then go to the 109's. If I then move up and start 4 tabling the 109's and play 20 a day at just 5% ROI (again giving myself a lower expectancy then the FAQ suggests), I calculated that I could be making over 35,000 a year just playing 20 109's per day at that ROI. Is that a reasonable goal, does anyone else on here come close to these numbers, or is this just wishful thinking...The 215's would be an even greater number...

[splashpot]

Why skip the 33s and 55s? I definately think they're worth it. I think it would be a huge mistake to go straight to 109s. Drastic change in your opponents being one reason.

[durron597]

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Why skip the 33s and 55s? I definately think they're worth it. I think it would be a huge mistake to go straight to 109s. Drastic change in your opponents being one reason.

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This is a true statement, I don't know where you saw that but it is wrong.

FYI, if you look in the archives you'll find a bunch of posts where eastbay (one of the most respected posters in this forum) was crushing the 55s and managed to lose a ton every time he moved to the 109s. Something to think about, he doesn't post much anymore so I don't know if he ever did make the transition.

Also, the ROIs in the FAQ are numbers that can be considered "good". I've seen better, but I would be happy with those numbers at the high levels.

Ok if I do play the 33's and 55's and have the ROI and money to move up, is it possible to make those kinda figures at the 109's, and how many people actually do it...

The ROI's are attainable but I wouldn't recommend you to jump directly from 22s to 109s. You have no idea whether YOU can attain those ROI's. Play some sng's and don't bother about calculating yearly income. And no, I don't think it is a reasonable goal.

[durron597]

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Ok if I do play the 33's and 55's and have the ROI and money to move up, is it possible to make those kinda figures at the 109's, and how many people actually do it...

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"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great. "
-Jimmy Dugan, A League of their Own

I never assumed it was easy. I understand that it takes a lot of hard work to reach those numbers, believe me I don't think it will be a cakewalk at all I was just basically asking if anyone else had come close to putting these kind of numbers up.

[Hornacek]

Personally I've been playing SNGs for 2+ years, and 25% ROI at the $33s is definitely attainable, as is 15% ROI at the $55s. I've been crushing the $55s recently for a 20%+ ROI in the last few hundred. Call it a heater, but I've only been playing at nights, when the action is donkkkk-tastic!

[RikaKazak]

5% ROI in the 109's isn't too hard to reach. I play a very "first oriented" game (poor ITM average but HIGH 1st vs. 2nd and 3rd) and I'm at 17% right now at 55's and 109's, 50/50 split and about 1K tournies.

In 6 months of "working on your poker game" if you scored 1,200 or higher on your SAT it won't be hard at all.

[bones]

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I have a plan to stay at the 22's for a good while until I have the roll to start 4 tabling the 109's comfortably. I will just skip past the 30's and 50's since I have seen that on here many people have said their not worth it.

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When/if the time comes that you decide to go straight from the 22s to the 109s, I'll take any action that you're willing to give that you won't be able to jump right in and beat them for anywhere close to 5%. PM me when you get there.

[The once and future king]

Also moving up limits may prepare you mentaly for the sums involved.

A bad day in the 100s especialy if you play alot of games is going to mean swings in the 1K+ ball park.

I once lost 2k+ in one day in the 100s,even though less than a week before this I had won slightly more in one day, that loss, hit my psyche like a hammer. I went on a massive tilt afterwards and it turns out that day and that loss is the defining moment in my poker career.

Running V bad is tough enough let alone haveing to deal with a massive loss in $ terms as a consequence. The abilty to deal with the swings at those limits as well as actual raw poker ability is essential if you want to avoid my fate.

I made a fast rise to the 100s. Playing about 3 months at the 30s and 50s repsectively, I was allways BRed to play at each limit including the 100s, but had not played enough games to experience realy bad variance. I got my education into the realities of poker when I hit the 100s.

My advice would be find a limit where you are comfortable with the swings and play at that limit till you experience your first 15/20+ buy in drop. Once you have stared into the dark heart of poker and are sure you can live with the consequences of its frigid beats, then you can climb the upper echolons of the poker ladder.

[fluorescenthippo]

with a 5% ROI at the 109s the variance will kill you. I would much rather play the 55s with a 8-10% ROI or whatever.

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I will just skip past the 30's and 50's since I have seen that on here many people have said their not worth it.

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Bad idea. Whoever said that didn't know what they were talking about at all.

eastbay

[eastbay]

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Why skip the 33s and 55s? I definately think they're worth it. I think it would be a huge mistake to go straight to 109s. Drastic change in your opponents being one reason.

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This is a true statement, I don't know where you saw that but it is wrong.

FYI, if you look in the archives you'll find a bunch of posts where eastbay (one of the most respected posters in this forum) was crushing the 55s and managed to lose a ton every time he moved to the 109s. Something to think about, he doesn't post much anymore so I don't know if he ever did make the transition.


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$109 is my main game. Still haven't made the transition to $215.

I don't strictly track my stats anymore, though, so I couldn't tell you what my ROI is.

eastbay

[durron597]

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I will just skip past the 30's and 50's since I have seen that on here many people have said their not worth it.

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Bad idea. Whoever said that didn't know what they were talking about at all.

eastbay

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I do recall people saying that the 33s aren't worth it, that people should skip straight to the 55s from the 22s, but that's totally different IMO. And probably wrong.

[fnord_too]

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I will just skip past the 30's and 50's since I have seen that on here many people have said their not worth it.

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Bad idea. Whoever said that didn't know what they were talking about at all.

eastbay

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I do recall people saying that the 33s aren't worth it, that people should skip straight to the 55s from the 22s, but that's totally different IMO. And probably wrong.

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Thanks to a mortgage payment and a slight case of tilt at the 20/40 stud/8 tables on party (playing after I got tired because I was slightly stuck followed by really stuck), I am rebuilding my party roll in the 33's. It's way too early to tell, but there is a chance my hourly rate may be higher at the 33's than the 55's. (And my current 109 rate has this funny dash in front of it, otherwise it is good /images/graemlins/blush.gif )

[se2schul]

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I do recall people saying that the 33s aren't worth it, that people should skip straight to the 55s from the 22s, but that's totally different IMO. And probably wrong.

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If I were a hardcore $55 grinder, I'd make this recommendation to all $11 and $22 players /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Mmmmmm fishsticks....

[Hornacek]

Personally, I think anyone that has shown a positive ROI on the $5+1s, with a significant sample size of at least 5 tournaments, should jump immediately to the $50+5 games, starting tonight at 8 PM, when I get home.

The game is truly easy, and will get easier, if everyone follows this plan. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Playing the $11s, $22s, and $33s is just a waste of potential profits!