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Percussion

11-20-2005, 07:42 PM

no reads
call down or fold

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero ?
Final Pot: 9.50 BB

TheHammer24

11-20-2005, 07:54 PM

Call down. The board is too draw heavy and Villian could very well have a T.

QTip

11-20-2005, 08:12 PM

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no reads
call down or fold

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero ?
Final Pot: 9.50 BB

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Why raise the flop?

BriPlay

11-20-2005, 08:41 PM

I second that.
call down.

W. Deranged

11-20-2005, 08:51 PM

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Why raise the flop?

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Calling and reevaluating on the turn seems pretty sweet to me. If we raise the turn and get three-bet, it's a much easier lay down than this one, and raising the turn is good from a value standpoint as well.

The interesting decisions involve times you pick up outs on the turn, like when a 9 or A hits. If a J hits I think it's an easy raise since we have so many outs.

gh9801

11-20-2005, 11:44 PM

I'd just call this flop and see what villain does on the turn. If he bets again I'd just call again. If he checks I'd bet to charge draws, and I'd call down a c/r unhappily

TomBrooks

11-21-2005, 10:22 AM

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Call down. The board is too draw heavy and Villian could very well have a T.

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TomBrooks

11-21-2005, 10:24 AM

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Why raise the flop?

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How about because we usually have the best hand? I'll guesstimate 3 out of 4 times an unknown player (no reads) has a T rather than a Queen.

Also, if he has a straight or flush draw, we can charge him extra. If he has a gutshot we really want to be charging him to continue. If he has a single heart we can get him to fold or pay us more than he should be.

BoxLiquid

11-21-2005, 10:37 AM

I don't know abbout all the advice given. UTG probably would've raised pre-flop with AQ or AJs. KQ and QJ are hands he might limp with and even QT. I don't know how logical it would be to c/r a pre-flop raiser with a pair of Tens.

Is checking the turn that bad on this board? The villain is drawing dead to the king.

MATT111

11-21-2005, 11:45 AM

Flop: I raise here as the donkbet almost never means a q. Charge villains draw.

Turn: I never fold here without a read. The c/r means he has a (probably strong) draw and wants you to fold. 3-betting and folding to a cap is an option but completely readless I call this down.

MrEngenic

11-21-2005, 12:00 PM

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Turn: I never fold here without a read. The c/r means he has a (probably strong) draw and wants you to fold. 3-betting and folding to a cap is an option but completely readless I call this down.

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No, the turn CR most of the time means he has a Q.

QTip

11-21-2005, 12:01 PM

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Why raise the flop?

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How about because we usually have the best hand? I'll guesstimate 3 out of 4 times an unknown player (no reads) has a T rather than a Queen.

Also, if he has a straight or flush draw, we can charge him extra. If he has a gutshot we really want to be charging him to continue. If he has a single heart we can get him to fold or pay us more than he should be.

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I hate raising anywhere in this hand is a bad idea imo without a specific read.