OT: HOW can i prove i'm not a BOT???

[unreal_nh]

So I requested a cash-out on November 12. The typical time for a cashout request to be processed is around 24-48 hours, no? (the cashout was made to Neteller). So I call support and they say the account is "under investigation", they ask for a copy of a driver's license, so I go along with them and send them a copy. Two days later nothing has happened. After numerous calls to their investigations department I finally come to find out that they have irrefutable evidence that my account actually IS under the control of "AI". They say they have sent 20-30 pop up messages (the ones where they screw with the letters so bots cant interpret and you type the word in), they also say that on numerous occasions I have made actions at 4-5 tables simultaneously (like within mili-seconds), they also try to convince me that they have talked to a person "associated" with the account and that they have admitted to a "BOT" being in use.

I am not a BOT, I have never used a BOT, I wouldnt have the slightest idea of how to create a program or even where to find such a program.

So now (after I deny said charges) they send the situation to the next level for further investigation.

Comments/suggestions?

I am just venting because I was also a jerk and the acccusation is crazy so I really would like some advice.

thanks.

[Mr_J]

"finally come to find out that they have irrefutable evidence that my account actually IS under the control of "AI"."

Tell them that if they "knew" you had a bot then your account would already have been closed. Tell them to stop d!cking you about and send you the money you sweat for.

Tell me this isn't party, after all they don't take much action against colluders, pretty bad if they start busting our balls accusing us (serious, fair players who pay them a $hitload of money) of being bots, WITHOUT any evidence.

[axeshigh]

Tell them if you were a bot you'd never ever be offline. Or maybe they'll just call you stupid too and ask for more 'evidence'.

[swiftrhett]

What poker site was this?

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
What poker site was this?

[/ QUOTE ]

Since they are talking about the popups with the LSD lettering, I think it's safe to say it is Åarty.

[stupidsucker]

If everything you say is true then you shouldnt have a problem. Just give it time and be persistant.

If I were in your shoes I would be pissed and screaming at someone.

The only thing you have to worry about is if you are lying to us and you really have some sort of bot-helper.

Do you 10 table? how many hours a day do you play?

There must be a reason why party has singled you out. Find that reason , explain and your off the hook.

[bawcerelli]

[ QUOTE ]
they also say that on numerous occasions I have made actions at 4-5 tables simultaneously (like within mili-seconds)

[/ QUOTE ]

just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

[bawcerelli]

and another thing...if you've already checked one of the action boxes, you could easily have multiple decisions made in milliseconds. what a bunch of pricks.

I agree with bawcerili, with packet routing, switching, and revolving lag time on the internet connection receiving your response packets is not any hard evidence of when exactly your respond. Put that on top of the fact that you can act in advance (check mark your response), that response carries no validity. Good luck!

[se2schul]

[ QUOTE ]
just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't implement the check as you're describing. I'm pretty sure that they'd be checking the OP's system clock and timestamping the GUI's response to a mouse click.

[tom441lbk]

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just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't implement the check as you're describing. I'm pretty sure that they'd be checking the OP's system clock and timestamping the GUI's response to a mouse click.

[/ QUOTE ]

somebody's a nerd

[astarck]

Reverse psychology.

Tell them you ARE a bot.

[unreal_nh]

[ QUOTE ]
and another thing...if you've already checked one of the action boxes, you could easily have multiple decisions made in milliseconds. what a bunch of pricks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Every explanation I gave to his questions were never acceptable for him. Indeed he was a prick and I did my fair share of yelling to no avail. He was like a police investigator trying to trick me into admitting something I didnt do and not listening to anything I said. We talked for like an hour and I asked what he wanted me to do and he said he just wanted me to admit everything to make it easier on myself. Apparently he must get a $1000 bonus or something for every confession he can get.

Now, I know there really isnt anything they should be able to do as I have done nothing wrong, they can't prove something that hasn't occured etc. But what really bothers me is that if they are allowed to use tactics like this, who knows what else they're capable of and I don't like thinking about that when my (earned) money is at stake.

P.S. It was Party

[Mr_J]

"But what really bothers me is that if they are allowed to use tactics like this, who knows what else they're capable of and I don't like thinking about that when my (earned) money is at stake."

This really sucks, but I'd put up with it. I think somebody either messed up or is just being a complete [censored].

"Every explanation I gave to his questions were never acceptable for him"

Everytime he said something I'd just say "I want to speak with your supervisor" and that I have better things to do with my time than argue on the phone vs someone who's obviously already made their decision, with no evidence to support it.

[unreal_nh]

[ QUOTE ]
Everytime he said something I'd just say "I want to speak with your supervisor" and that I have better things to do with my time than argue on the phone vs someone who's obviously already made their decision, with no evidence to support it.


[/ QUOTE ]

This was the supervisor /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[eviljeff]

maybe you just don't know you're a bot.

[ChoicestHops]

This really sucks. He was the supervisor? I can click insane speeds, what if they think Im a bot too? I havent even had the box test yet, but with years of Starcraft playing I can click at speeds not known to this world.

I don't know what you can do in this situation. They somehow have "proof" and obviously are not listening to your case.

[zaphod]

[ QUOTE ]

Comments/suggestions?


thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Send them a mail saying:

Syntax error.

Dear juicyv_gina,

After several years of careful research, we have determined that your account was under the control of "AI", which is clearly against the rules here at Partypoker. We have tried to explain this to you over the telephone, but your constant denials have annoyed us so your account has been permanently banned, and all of your funds have been confiscated. The same has been done for your partner, player "Gigabet". We do believe in second chances, however, and will generously allow you to continue to play the exciting new blackjack and sidebet options on our site. Enjoy!

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Our Customer Care Department is available 24/7 to assist you.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Dilan Dikshit
Poker Customer Care

[bawcerelli]

lol finally a funny gimmick acct.

[pergesu]

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I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude at least ask for Shana Hiatt. n00b

[unreal_nh]

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I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude at least ask for Shana Hiatt. n00b

[/ QUOTE ]

Shana's still asleep, whe had a longggg night /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Also it turns out theres nothing to worry about, mine and both my roomates' accounts are now locked. No big deal, I'm pissed.

12 hours until Nahasapookipakomikar Navagantikianti informs me of the "final decision."

[Deuce2High]

Possibly send a PM to Mike O'Malley here on 2+2.

[utmt40]

If this is a bluff attempt by party then I am all-in if I am you.

[eviljeff]

[ QUOTE ]
If this is a bluff attempt by party then I am all-in if I am you.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOLzorz! I think they have you covered!!!

you back at the tables pergesu?

[suited_ace]

Call and them and no matter what be nice. Explain your situation to the person and just tell him that you're an honest guy, that you'll do anything they want you to do to prove them you didn't do anything wrong, that you're sure this is just a misunderstanding you want to clear out just as much as them.

Tell them they're free to come to your house and analyze your computer, whatever...

I don't know how much you have @ PP, but I guess it's prolly enough money for you to throw your pride out the window and be very nice to those MFs.

If they tell you there's nothing you can do, ask them (again, be nice) to send you the info they have that in their view proves that you used a bot. Explain that you'll have a specialist look at the report and you'll get back to them.

Depending on how they react, wait a few days and call them back and start threatening to not only sue them, but publicizing what happened to you big time (send press releases to every single news show in America saying that PartyPoker cannot be trusted, yadda yadda yadda - I'm sure one of them will find the story very interesting).

GL.

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
you back at the tables pergesu?

[/ QUOTE ]
nope, I just think Shana Hiatt is more +EV than Phil Sexton

[swiftrhett]

are you a bot?

[Shilly]

[ QUOTE ]
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you back at the tables pergesu?

[/ QUOTE ]
nope, I just think Shana Hiatt is more +EV than Phil Sexton

[/ QUOTE ]

Pergesu--I think you should return to playing.

[ilya]

You must change your legal name to Juicy Vagina & show up at Party HQ, picture Id in hand. I fear it is the only way.

[DMACM]

I hope this gets resolved for you. Do you know why you were singled out? Still I am comforted to know party checks up on these things . I had no idea about the LCD letters thing, and I had often worried about bots taking over.

[bones]

Can we use bots against the aliens?

[pokerponcho]

LOL

[ilya]

[ QUOTE ]
Can we use bots against the aliens?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not unless we want our account to be frozen.

[pokerponcho]

Perhaps you are a bot. But it sounds like they are holding something back. I don't think their case is as air-tight as they are trying to make it sound (acting strong when weak).

It seems that the time for talk is over. Get a good lawyer that can force partypoker.com's hand.

[Lori]

[ QUOTE ]
Since they are talking about the popups with the LSD lettering, I think it's safe to say it is Åarty.

[/ QUOTE ]

Did anyone ever work out how you get these? I still have never had one.

Lori

[Big Limpin']

[ QUOTE ]
They say they have sent 20-30 pop up messages

[/ QUOTE ]

Asshat, you just "missed" this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over????

Seems pretty clear to me that you were using a bot, as any real person would just answer the popup. /images/graemlins/mad.gif I hope i get reimbursed with my share of the $15k that you stole from players at the site. I also hope that Party persues legal action against you, although they are probably happy with the 15k (thats not even theirs) and arent concerned seeking retributions to the player who have been cheated.

[jman220]

[ QUOTE ]
Perhaps you are a bot. But it sounds like they are holding something back. I don't think their case is as air-tight as they are trying to make it sound (acting strong when weak).

It seems that the time for talk is over. Get a good lawyer that can force partypoker.com's hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lol. Unless they seized like 100k from him, the costs outweigh the benefits.

[Degen]

Interesting thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=3651873&page=)

Note in it that Unreal denied his identity here

edit: oops last month, not same day as cashout...

[Freudian]

There have been bots on Party after Saabpo. I got four accounts closed by reporting them some while ago.

Now I haven't played enough against juicy to have any opinion on the shadyness of his play. The sheer volume needed to be played to end up first in the leaderboard is odd of course.

[stupidsucker]

[ QUOTE ]
I got four accounts closed by reporting them some while ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just exactly what do you use as your tell tale sign of boticity?

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
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I got four accounts closed by reporting them some while ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just exactly what do you use as your tell tale sign of boticity?

[/ QUOTE ]

Same locaction, same time for each action, only push/fold from level one, playing pretty much 24h/day from what I could tell. Pretty amateurish stuff.

Anyway, after a while I reported them/him to Party who monitored him for a while and then all four accounts were gone without ever coming back. So I assumed Party banned them/him.

[tshort]

[ QUOTE ]
There have been bots on Party after Saabpo. I got four accounts closed by reporting them some while ago.

Now I haven't played enough against juicy to have any opinion on the shadyness of his play. The sheer volume needed to be played to end up first in the leaderboard is odd of course.

[/ QUOTE ]

I usually play the 33s, but for a few days had to drop down to the 22s. Although I don't care too much for seat selection in 22s, I noticed Juicy so made sure to sit to his right on multiple tables in the same set. I wondered how long it would take for him to adjust to the same player pushing into him on multiple tables, but he would only call pushes with good hands. I probably sat to his right on 6 tables in the period of a couple hours and he didn't seem to adjust to me. This doesn't prove he is a bot, but I expected him to adjust.

I couldn't imagine a single person playing 9-10 hours per day for 31 straight days.

[Edit]I can't remember if the amount of time his actions took varied.

[Nicholasp27]

moral of the story: put most of your br in an ing savings account; u can instantly transfer it to your online roll, so no point in holding more than u need in a few hours of running poorly...u'll get interest AND protection from party seizing your funds

[PartySNGer]

[ QUOTE ]
moral of the story: put most of your br in an ing savings account; u can instantly transfer it to your online roll, so no point in holding more than u need in a few hours of running poorly...u'll get interest AND protection from party seizing your funds

[/ QUOTE ]

No, the real moral of the story is play honest and don't try to cheat the system and you'll be fine. The savings account thing is a good lesson though. $15k in an account for a $22 player is ridiculous. $2200 is about the max you should need, unless you are a bot and want the extra cushion.

[Nicholasp27]

we don't know if he's using a bot or not

but we do know that nobody should be keeping 15k in an online br getting no interest

[unreal_nh]

well the money had only been in there for a month. but anyway, yeah i am 100 % telling the truth when i say i've never used a Bot. bmxreed36 and i played on this account all last month and the second and third week of this month, alternating hours too keep the account going to accumulate TLB points. so thats it. i'm [censored].

[vinyard]

[ QUOTE ]
bmxreed36 and i played on this account all last month and the second and third week of this month, alternating hours too keep the account going to accumulate TLB points. so thats it. i'm [censored].

[/ QUOTE ] Umm, not to piss in your cheerios but I am reasonbly sure I have mutliple instances of playing with you and him at same 800 chip table in the last 6 weeks. I don't think you account was a bot but well I think that's pretty shady.

[citanul]

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bmxreed36 and i played on this account all last month and the second and third week of this month, alternating hours too keep the account going to accumulate TLB points. so thats it. i'm [censored].

[/ QUOTE ] Umm, not to piss in your cheerios but I am reasonbly sure I have mutliple instances of playing with you and him at same 800 chip table in the last 6 weeks. I don't think you account was a bot but well I think that's pretty shady.

[/ QUOTE ]

i agree with the above, if it's true, is quite shady. also, i think it's a dick move to try to win the TLB in that fashion.

c

[Mr_J]

Don't know why you are all jumping to conclusions. So he's played enough sngs that would have him working 7-8 hrs a day. So what. Other people have played this much (think fiery said he played around 10hrs a day for a month).

Not pressing the popups isn't proof, and I think it's a pretty stupid thing for party to do anyway. It's the last thing a 10 tabler needs.

You should all wait until you have all of the facts before jumping to the conclusion that he used a bot.

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't know why you are all jumping to conclusions. So he's played enough sngs that would have him working 7-8 hrs a day. So what. Other people have played this much (think fiery said he played around 10hrs a day for a month).

Not pressing the popups isn't proof, and I think it's a pretty stupid thing for party to do anyway. It's the last thing a 10 tabler needs.

You should all wait until you have all of the facts before jumping to the conclusion that he used a bot.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you believe a guy playing $22s 7-8 hours a day will end up above someone playing the 109s ten hours a day, not to mention those that play that many hours 8-tabling the $215s?

Anyway, he already admitted them trying to cheat their way to the $5k leaderboard payday.

[SCfuji]

maybe you should ask bmxreed if he got any messages?

[Exitonly]

so what's going on? any progress getting yoru money back?

From what you said about sharing the account w/ bmxreed you probably shouldn't get the 5k you won (or did you not end up winning it).

This is a semi-interesting story.

[Mr_J]

"Anyway, he already admitted them trying to cheat their way to the $5k leaderboard payday. "

What, taking shifts (just guessing)??

3000 sngs 10tabling would take ~7-8 hrs a day.

"So you believe a guy playing $22s 7-8 hours a day will end up above someone playing the 109s ten hours a day"

The hours don't matter, it's how heavy they're multitabling.

"not to mention those that play that many hours 8-tabling the $215s?"

People play 10hrs a day reguarly? Some life.

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
"Anyway, he already admitted them trying to cheat their way to the $5k leaderboard payday. "

What, taking shifts (just guessing)??

3000 sngs 10tabling would take ~7-8 hrs a day.

"So you believe a guy playing $22s 7-8 hours a day will end up above someone playing the 109s ten hours a day"

The hours don't matter, it's how heavy they're multitabling.

"not to mention those that play that many hours 8-tabling the $215s?"

People play 10hrs a day reguarly? Some life.

[/ QUOTE ]

For a guy playing $22s playing 7-8 hours a day to get first on the leaderboard he would have to get an insane number of 1st and 2nds, while all those playing very high number of 109s and 215s would get an insanely low amount of 1sts and 2nds. This is for a whole month.

I think it is safe to say that this account was busy far more than 7-8 hours a day for him to get first on the leaderboard playing the 22s. He already admitted them playing as a team. The guy claiming they played 3000 tourneys took his info from Poker prophecy, which misses a lots of tournaments.

[Mr_J]

Actually, 3k $22s with an 18% ROI would've topped the leaderboard (that would've netted 43k points).

Topping the leader board on 22s isn't nearly as extreme as some people think.

Now for the 7-8 hours a day it'd take a 10tabler to play 3k sngs in a month. Well it's hardcore, but it's definately doable.

None of this is unrealistic and I think I've shown this. It's very hardcore, but it's is far from impossible.

Edited to add: I don't think they deserves to lose 15k for playing as a team. Knocked off the leaderboard and forced to pay back that 5k prize? Sure, but they don't deserve to have their winnings confiscated.

[citanul]

let's assume they were 8 tabling i guess, because i don't know about when we're talking about. then running continuous tables you're probably looking at something like 13 or 14 tables an hour. running the tables for 14 hours a day seems fairly reasonable if you've got two guys playing like nuts. now we're talking around 196 games a day. that's just around what, 5700 games a month to re-fudge factor.

that's a [censored] load of games.

juicy won the leaderboard last month at 41k points.

at 5700 games, if we say he gets 10% 1sts and 10% 2nds:

63.44 pts for first
44.86 pts for second

108.3 for each first second combo.

so if he plays 5700 games he gets 570x108.3 = >>>>>>41k points.

now let's look at it more rationally.

let's say that he gets 1st and 2nd again, 10% of the time. to get 41k points, he has to rack up: 378 instances of the 1st/2nd combo. this would mean 3780 games in a month at these rates, and again, this is a lot of games, but it's about 125 games a day, instead of the original stated figure. it's no where close to impossible. that's doable in 11 hours a day no sweat.

if someone offered me say, $100k to do so, i'd go rack up 40k leaderboard points next month. and no one would be able to come close to stopping me. (if someone wants to try, i'd do this in january. haha)

if we let our hero get 1st say, 15% of the time and 2nd 13% of the time, the numbers get better for hero.

we need to find X st 63.44x(.15)x(X)+44.86x(.13)x(X)=41000
so that's (9.516+5.3832)X=41000
X=41000/14.8992
X=2752

which is around 92 games a day.

and i don't think anyone's going to dispute that 92 games is possible during a day, even every day.

so ease the [censored] off, jeez. he was playing as a team, fine, but there's really no reason to say this is botlike persistence. before you start making a wild bunch of claims about what is or isn't possible while playing one stakes or another (particularly with someone as crazy as the TLB points formula) you should probably oh, i don't know, look at the damn formula.

c

[citanul]

it appears someone else did this with no math to prove his point.

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]

Edited to add: I don't think they deserves to lose 15k for playing as a team. Knocked off the leaderboard and forced to pay back that 5k prize? Sure, but they don't deserve to have their winnings confiscated.

[/ QUOTE ]

His money wasn't confiscated for cheating on the leaderboard though. It was confiscated because the Party investigations team (who next to the guy himself should know most about his play, far more than any of us here on the board do) determined he was using a bot to play.

[Mr_J]

I know, just that people will argue that he cheated so should have the money confiscated anyway.

You'd think party would have strong evidence to confiscate 15k given the way they handle collusion, but then again I think they just take a much tougher stance on bots. They're also quite incompetent, and it wouldn't surprise me if missing popups was all the evidence they had.

Not saying he didn't use a bot (it's unlikely he did if he's telling the truth about playing as a team), just that people shouldn't jump to conclusions without all the facts. Not that we're likely to get all the facts anyway.

[Freudian]

Party isn't going to release their stuff and Unreal_nh would never admit to using a bot even if he did, so I don't think we will get any further. I don't know if they even object to tag teaming for leaderboard glory. The whole point of the leaderboard is to get people to play an insane amount of poker to start with.

The main benefit from the discussion is that we all learned that if a popup comes, we better respond or we are SOL and possibly if you get a popup in a SnG, you are being investigated.

I do think they monitor the account for quite a while before shutting people down (at least they did for the bots I reported) so I have no reason to believe they don't check for response times. It isn't all too complicated to do.

[zaphod]

[ QUOTE ]
Actually, 3k $22s with an 18% ROI would've topped the leaderboard (that would've netted 43k points).

Topping the leader board on 22s isn't nearly as extreme as some people think.

Now for the 7-8 hours a day it'd take a 10tabler to play 3k sngs in a month. Well it's hardcore, but it's definately doable.

None of this is unrealistic and I think I've shown this. It's very hardcore, but it's is far from impossible.

Edited to add: I don't think they deserves to lose 15k for playing as a team. Knocked off the leaderboard and forced to pay back that 5k prize? Sure, but they don't deserve to have their winnings confiscated.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with everything you said. Maybee he got flagged as a possible bot because he and his friend played for so many hours/day over a long period?

[Mr_J]

[ QUOTE ]
It isn't all too complicated to do.

[/ QUOTE ]

We're talking about party here.

If he didn't use a bot, then I hope he gets his money.

If he did use a bot, then he understood the risks and will no pay for it. It'd also be really silly to leave $15k in his account if he was using a bot, as he'd want to minimize his risk.

[ChoicestHops]

I wish this was settled, but I don't see Party cooperating with you if they have already made their decision.

Maybe you were multi-tabling without enough breaks to warrant the suspicion of bot use?

It's also possible they thought you were using because of two different IPs using the same account?

Maybe you missed the pop-ups?

[Freudian]

Well, it was when he tried to cash out that Party locked his account. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[tjh]

For those that suppose that he may be a bot...

I thought that the best a bot could do was win a tiny percent ROI. At this stage of Bot development doesn't his winrate exonerate him ?

Not much of a defense to Party..

" I am too good to be a friggin bot !! "

but something to consider.

--
tjh

[FieryJustice]

I figured i'd chime in here and say it is quite possible to win at a pretty high roi by just using normal push/fold strategy. It really isnt that hard if you just know when to push and fold. Next month, if I get motivated enough, I plan on putting in about 150 $55s or $109s a day every day. I will have no life, but I will have a pretty good chunk of change at the end of the month. Also, as to why he has played 3000 $22s, maybe he has no desire to move up because the $22s are profitable enough...why am I playing $22s right now? Because I am making the same amount I could make in the $215s with much smaller downswings. It is quite possible for one person to play 4500 sngs in a month and I see no reason why he couldnt do it. Oddly enough though, I kinda hope he was using a bot simply because I have very little morals and want to see a good bot pwn. As for not clicking the popups, every time I see one pop up in front of me, I think I lost a game until I read what it says...I couldnt imagine ever not clicking one.

[Mr_J]

"Next month, if I get motivated enough, I plan on putting in about 150 $55s or $109s a day every day."

Please stick to the $109s, a number of us have already booked the $55s for a hardcore month in december.

[FieryJustice]

But why play 109s when I make the same amount in the $55s? I considered seeing if 33% roi was possible in the $33s, but I think that can wait. Table selection is a good thing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SonnyJay]

I wish you the best of luck with this. All I can say is to be persistent. I had the unfortunate experience of dealing with Party Poker for a research project (and I was just asking for info, not trying to get them to reverse a decision they made) and it took me hours of begging to get a hold of anyone. Though I'm sure it'll be difficult, keep pleading any case that you have and try to keep going higher up, they may listen.

Good luck.

-SonnyJay

[Mr_J]

Looks like the 55s will be pretty busy then. Think my ROI just shot down 5% after raptor and fiery announced that they'll be playing 55s around the clock.

[SippinSoma]

You and your partner would have to be pretty [censored] stupid to get those kind of (bot-like) hours in and ignore dozens of verification popups. Also, you still haven't explained why you had $15k sitting in your account.

[chisness]

i don't think the 15k means much. bot or not he could easily cash out money. maybe he just likes to do it once every few weeks or something.

[citanul]

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Also, you still haven't explained why you had $15k sitting in your account.

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alright, once and for all:

they had $15k in the account because they had $15k in the acct. what's so hard about that. they made a bunch of money and didn't take it out. that's what happens when you make money and don't take it out. i don't understand why this possibly needs explanation.

[FieryJustice]

I, and I am sure many others that put in near botlike hours, have much more than 15k in my account. If they were to close it, I would flip out. However, i'm not a bot, so I dont have to worry about it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[tshort]

So now that we know Party is confiscating his money because he's a bot, can we call to get our share of it?

[Bonafone]

I couldnt even imagine the AIM convo if they closed your account fiery. I would probably book a flight immediately to prevent you from killing yourself.

[Newt_Buggs]

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I couldnt even imagine the AIM convo if they closed your account fiery. I would probably book a flight immediately to prevent you from killing yourself.

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lol, that would suck, but I have to admit that it would be pretty amusing to see the stuff spouting out from FJ if party called him a bot and closed his account.