Flush Draws

[BFlush]

How much of a dog s the nut flush draw aganst a set? How about flush draw plus top pare aganst set? Sorry no "eyes" on computer

[TheRempel]

Flush draw against top set:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1355327
pokenum -o ah 2h 3s 4c - qd qc jd ts -- qh 9h 6s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 6s Qh 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
3s 4c Ah 2h 246 30.00 574 70.00 0 0.00 0.300
Ts Qc Qd Jd 574 70.00 246 30.00 0 0.00 0.700

Flush draw with top pair against middle set:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1355342
pokenum -o ah 2h qs 5c - 9d 9c 3d 7c -- qh 9h 6s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 6s Qh 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs 5c Ah 2h 251 30.61 569 69.39 0 0.00 0.306
9c 7c 9d 3d 569 69.39 251 30.61 0 0.00 0.694

[BFlush]

So the draw is about a 2.5-1 dog?? Isn't that about the same as a flush draw agaisnt top pair?? Thanks

[TheRempel]

Either way you're about a 2.3:1 dog. As you can see, having top pair doesn't change much.

[ QUOTE ]
So the draw is about a 2.5-1 dog?? Isn't that about the same as a flush draw agaisnt top pair?? Thanks

[/ QUOTE ]
hard to say, since in Omaha the strength of top pair depends on how high the pair is and what each person's side cards are. Two extreme examples ...

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1356137
pokenum -o ac kc jd qd - 7d 6h 6c 9c -- 7c 4c 2d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 7c 4c 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Kc Qd Jd 492 60.00 328 40.00 0 0.00 0.600
9c 6c 7d 6h 328 40.00 492 60.00 0 0.00 0.400

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1356145
pokenum -o ac 3c 3h 8s - kd qc jc ad -- kc 9c 5d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Kc 9c 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s Ac 3c 3h 284 34.63 536 65.37 0 0.00 0.346
Qc Jc Ad Kd 536 65.37 284 34.63 0 0.00 0.654